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Old Feb 06, 2019, 09:53 AM
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Dnester... I read what you posted of your conversation with your treatment provider. to me it sounds exactly what a good treatment provider would say... here let me show breaking what you posted down and what my own treatment provider would say and do....you know reality testing, with dissociative disorders reality testing remains intact, so lets use some of that here going over your post just like I would my myself with my emails to people and with my own treatment provider as if I had wrote what you did.....

from your post...

So this is how it went down

Me: Hey I was wondering if this chatter may be racing thoughts not DID because they have decreased on the lower Invega.
Her: I dont know if these are bipolar thoughts or DID. Just keep recording in your journal the chatter.
Me: Why would I keep a journal of things you dont believe exist. Then I will just be sitting there wondering if you think I am full of ****.
Her: Wherever did you get that idea- you are making assumptions- when did I not say I didnt believe you.
Me: Well you cant tell me my diagnosis is DID or bipolar
Her: I am done with this communication. It is not helpful. Use coping strategies to calm yourself. I will see you tommorow. I will not be responding to any texts or emails at this time.

Am I in the wrong?

ok now the walk through as if this was me using reality testing...

Me: Hey I was wondering if this chatter may be racing thoughts not DID because they have decreased on the lower Invega.

in that sentence who brought up that this may not be DID the patient not the treatment provider. you have noticed that the chatter has decreased and you are wondering if the chatter is not DID. this would be something that I would and do say when my meds are changed and the change makes a difference.

Her: I dont know if these are bipolar thoughts or DID. Just keep recording in your journal the chatter.

treatment provider making a reply is agreeing they dont know if your chatter is DID. they also mention another disorder. Bipolar.... remember yesterday when I said we can only post on what you choose to tell us and most people do leave key information out of what they post... well here is a key information.... the bipolar disorder... where in the conversation before she made this statement was bipolar disorder discussed. in order for her to mention another disorder she had to do it either because this other disorder has already been discussed between you both. from the wording of your post. somewhere before this statement you and she had to be discussing whether you thought you had bipolar disorder. the only other time treatment providers mention other disorders in the context that you posted is if they are using it as an example not as a diagnosis. like if I had been talking with my treatment provider and at some point said I dont know what this chatter is, bipolar dissociation, or what. and then report to my treatment provider the chatter has improved with decrease in meds, my treatment provider would naturally say she doesnt know whether the chatter is from DID or from bipolar either. (why would she say it that way because it takes diagnostic testing. to figure out which it was.) no where in that statement is the therapist saying I have the other disorder just stating that they dont know if I have either disorder. it is my own assumption that she is trying to diagnose.

reality testing complete I would realize in hearing this statement I am jumping the gun and my treatment provider is not trying to diagnose me either way just staying neutral answering my own statements of wonderings.

further looking at that statement the treatment provider is asking me to keep journaling about the chatter. this is a completely normal homework assignment. anytime something bothers me my treatment provider tells me to write about it.

the next statement you posted has another one of those missing keys of information....

Me: Why would I keep a journal of things you dont believe exist. Then I will just be sitting there wondering if you think I am full of ****.

the missing key of information is where in the session did the treatment provider say "I dont believe this chatter exists" or "I dont believe what you are hearing exists"

what you have posted does not show the therapist saying to you that the therapist believes the chatter doesnt exist. so all I can go on is that her next statement of ...

Her: Wherever did you get that idea- you are making assumptions- when did I not say I didnt believe you.

this is a completely normal thing my therapist would say to me if I jumped to the conclusion that she didnt believe me when she never stated directly to me that she didnt believe me.

the therapist has given you a completely normal therapy homework to do and you according to your own post got upset and assumed they did not believe you.

according to your post when she confronted you with the fact that you were assuming that she didnt believe you when she never said that, instead of talking with her about why you felt she didnt believe you, you went back to arguing about diagnosing you when according to your post she was not trying to diagnose you, just answering your own wonderings of whether the chatter was DID.

instead of continuing to go round and round and around again over the same thing she decided to end the session by giving you homework and letting you know that there is a boundary of no emails.

this is a completely normal thing my own treatment provider would do if she felt there was no ending the loop of my jumping to assumptions and avoiding working on why I was assuming things that she was not doing. Since I showed no interest in her help to keep doing what I already do to keep myself calm and schedule the next session. when the next session is just the next day my own treatment provider does not accept over night emails either. she expects me to do journaling and discuss the next day.

heres a thought.... maybe you and this treatment provider can record your sessions, this way you can review them together and see where you both are having problems like you feeling she is trying to diagnose you every time she mentions another mental disorder when like your post you are missing key information about the conversation.

sometimes mental disorders can get us so worked up that we dont see what our treatment providers are trying to say and teach us, and we end up having the kinds of trouble you are having with this treatment provider. sometimes having a third person present besides recording the sessions helps too to clear problems like this up.

my suggestion ... if this was me I would continue to do my journaling about the chatter and how it makes me feel. writing is a great outlet and its great for helping someone figure out for their self why something is happening and why what is happening is so important or bothering me.