{{{{{{{{Sky}}}}}}}} You can respond as many times as you want! Please don't feel that your responses are unwelcome or limited.

I agree 100% with you for prefering to write things like these, but I know my oldest son. The matter is settled in his mind. He's right and I'm wrong. There's really no hope of changing his mind. What I'm doing is asserting myself and maybe making his wife think that she's the one that over-reacts... or at least, in this one instance. Talk about someone that needs to learn to STOP, THINK, ACT!!

My initial thought was to put these "facts" on 3X5 cards, read them and let them give their side of it. However, my oldest son likes to confuse the issues, so I'm thinking of not letting them speak until I'm done. Maybe if they hear the whole thing together, it will add up on the right column. When they come up with arguments, I'll validate their side but repeat my side; "I understand what you're saying. This is what I'm saying." Something like that... My youngest son would read it, think about it, discuss it with his wife and THEN talk to me about it. Not so with his big brother! He goes with his immediate feelings, cements them, and woe unto you! He's usually always wrong. Only heaven knows how he's so successful with his business! Life with him has usually been like this --> Once in a great while, he'll give in to what I've said but only just to get me to shut up. Just the same, I feel I need to say something at least to let them know I'm not a blithering idiot sitting in my corner where I was told to stay.

It's really a sad thing when your own kids make you feel that way, isn't it?