Thanks for the reply. You must have edited your post because it was no where near this size. Someone also said they missed your post as well.
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what I can tell you is there are many different kinds of alters. Dissociative type alters are a very special kind. they dont enter a body like spirits and ghosts. in fact there is a diagnostic criteria that says the problems can not be because of religious practices (here in the USA ghosts and spirits are part of religious practices)
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I know about the religious practices part. I think you're misinterpreting it because it's possible any patient could think their alters are demons. If what you said is true then academic professionals would not even bother diagnosing a good percentage of patients. Just because someone says something doesn't make it true. Just because someone describes an alter as a spirit does not make their diagnoses a religion.
As far as entering the body, I've read many accounts of alters living in a virtual reality, a heaven like place that all of the alters create. In fact there is/was a popular girl on YouTube who's alters do that. Also it is well know that alters can learn to send mental messages to the host, which can be perceived as sound. So there's no reason why an alter can learn the ability to send visual images to the host as well, which could be perceived by the host as an alter being outside of the body. To set such a limit is ridiculous. Are there academics who would set such a limit. Sure. There are academics who believe the Earth is flat. I personally can't imagine an academic setting such a limit on an alter. At least not an intelligent notable academic.
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Dissociative alters are the kind that are linked to dissociating. example in order for my dissociative type alters to have taken control I would have had to be triggered by something, then because of being triggered my brain did its dissociative process of flight/ fight response making me feel numb, spaced out disconnected. then which ever alter who's sense of agency (a new diagnostic term for dissociative type alters) was to talk care of that trigger would take control to handle that situation or emotion for me.
when my alters didnt take control any more that meant 2 things... 1 that I was perfectly capable of handling my triggers and life so that there was no need for my brain to do the dissociation process. that it was time for me to handle my own problems. and 2 because the alters were no longer there as separate identities stored in my unconsciousness.
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I used to think that alters faded away. I talked about this possibility, but admit that even academics have no tools to know for sure.
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DID was not some thing that I could choose to be and I could not control whether my alters from having dissociative disorders would take control when and which one. for me it all worked on the fact that I had a dissociative disorder and my triggers caused me to dissociate/ have my dissociation symptoms which in turn caused my dissociative alters to take control.
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Of course, but I've learned that it's a skill. It's possible to take control. It's possible to make alters fade, although for me it takes a long time, about 1/2 year. It's even possible to create alters. I've done it and studied the process.
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like I said there are many different alters.
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Exactly! That's what I said, that within a 100 years from now academics will have a much better understanding of what's happening and will surely have a vast categorical list of different types of alters, or who knows what they'll call them in a 100 years. I'm betting that that "spirits" will be included in that list as a type of alter.
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example with my bipolar disorder anxiety disorder and so on I had psychotic induced alters, medication induced alters......these too I could not ask them to take control they were not spirits and ghosts that you see in movies jumping into peoples bodies.
my suggestion is if this continues to bother you talk with your treatment providers. they will be able to explain in more detail about various kinds of alters, which kind you have and in turn answer your questions as they pertain to you and your belief system / culture and so on.
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Actually I reached the point where I can help myself more than some academic who spends 30 minutes with me per week, and I'm more interested in studying and researching it. I'm now nearly 100% convinced that
everyone has people living inside their brain who have their own unique personalities. Yes, when academics around the world get the courage to start tackling the more religions & spiritual aspects of this phenomenon they will discover what I've seen, and then religions around the world are going to collapse. Oh wow, I can't imagine. Idk, mixed thoughts on that. Maybe it is best to leave it alone. Can you imagine if academics release evidence backed by brain scanning tools that shows spirit voices, include alters that play the role of God, are just alters. Most humans seem to be extremely emotionally fragile creatures. Maybe they need their religion. Even so, I absolutely refuse to let myself lie to people and myself by playing some role I start pretending this is all not real. Truth seekers must continue seeking truth. I for one have lost my religion and then spirituality nearly a decade ago. It was like a nuclear bomb going off. I survived, better off. Truth is best!!!!
Anyhow, I can't emphasize enough how wrong it is to say it's not an alter for the reason that an alter has learned the skill of projecting images to you. Just because someone sees a "spirit" in front of them does not mean that spirit is there outside of them. It's happening inside their brain. It is a skill, just as learning Out of Body projection and travel is a learn skill. I myself have learned to project images and scenes to my alters. My alters know how to project the same to me in addition to voices. I've heard countless accounts of alters being able to communicate with host. This knowledge may not be in the latest DID diagnoses, but that doesn't mean it's not true. The DSM changes & updates over time. Give it a few decades.