in defense of the men, it was a couple specific people, not naming names, that just wouldnt let it go. even when men defended themselves and women defended them. guys were receiving nasty PMs from women! we all know how guys act when its only guys around. its what they do! most people were fine with it. there were only a couple. i didnt think this thread had anything to do with it. there was another thread that contributed much more than this one did.