Maybe there is no place for Sky and Rap because they are that much more spiritual than the rest of us...
Or maybe there is no place for Sky and Rap because they value mental health much more than the rest of us...

Or maybe they are trying to tell us that there is no place for us too?
Any of us?

I find the 'traditional and family values' thing fairly hard for a number of reasons. Keeping slaves was (I thought) a fairly traditional value in US history. When I think 'traditional values' I think about keeping slaves.

I also think eugenics. That has a history in the US too (the idea that mental illness was heritable and that future generation had more severe forms). THerefore we really should eradicate it for the good of the family. Hitler said he was promoting traditional family values (christian ones at that) while he was campaigning and he did indeed seem genuine with that. The Jewish people (or the Vietnamese people or the Iraqui people who whoever are threating our very way of life and if we value our families we will go and fight and lay down our life!' Not for however many virgins in the afterlife but for traditional family values! We don't much hear about the US history with eugenics because we have become obsessively focused with the Nazi's - but when I think about 'traditional' and in particular 'family' values I think eugenics, yeah.

And I also think about welfare distributed as the individual pleases (ie whether they want to give or not) through the churches. Instead of being a government service. And I think of the radical injustice in the distribution of wealth in the US (such extremes of filthy rich and filthy poor) and I think 'oh is that what traditional values are about'.

And so if I have a bias... Its towards socialism or something like that being a spiritual view because its founding thing seems to be that people are equal and are equally deserving of getting their basic needs met at the very least.

And so I guess there are as many views on this as there are on spirituality.

It can be hurtful to find that a group who you thought you shared so many beliefs in common with disagreed with you on something so fundamental Rap. I'm sorry.