I have no idea how she makes it. Half of the time my brother-in-law isn't working. I have no idea how she is going to pay off her loan. I have no idea how she manages with five kids. But somehow she does. And she lives in a good part of California, like a wealthy part. And the amount of money the parents of the children pay for the children to go to preschool is ridiculous. You would think that they could pay their teachers better. But IDK. She wants to move over to the school side where she can make more money but for whatever reason it hasn't happened. Maybe it's her degree. It's something to do with education but I don't remember what it is exactly.