Wow slumber - even the catholics arent so masochistic anymore, from the few times ive been to church in the past oh twenty-some years. Altho i think this pastor was even a bit sadistic. Anyway, im just thinking, that meanness and mindcontrol is why i broke away - it really wasnt doing me any good. I miss the feeling of community of course, but its kinda like feeling like you hafta laugh because everybody else around you is scapegoating someone, even tho you dont agree, you go along with it. But that someone is yourself?

And i agree with LT - thats not effin CBT, pardon my french!!!