Thanks @susannahsays and everyone else who helped me process the session with Pastor T. I've done a lot of thinking and arguing with myself and feeling bad about myself since that session. In some ways I feel like my faith is strengthened because I had to say Bullcrap. I don't believe that. I may feel that way about myself some times. But that doesn't make it true of me. I had to draw the line at what I believe from my faith and what my identity is. I refuse to accept that my identity is that I am bad and I am a failure. My feelings may say that about me at times, but I am not going to claim that as who I am. I'm really worn out from wrestling with myself, between my thoughts and my feelings, and my faith, and what I believe. He really threw me for a loop on Monday that I am still trying to get out of this crazy-making. I really appreciate everyone on PC that took their time to express their thoughts and to help me sort this out. Hugs Kit