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Old Nov 13, 2019, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SlumberKitty View Post
Hi All, so this has been bothering me since Monday night when I saw Pastor T. As background I had SH-ed on Sunday and twice on Monday before seeing Pastor T. I have a rather difficult (for me) GP appointment today which is causing me a lot of distress. Pastor T and I were talking about it and he told me that I *couldn't* SH Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday. I tried to negotiate with him. Such as, how about not on Tuesday, but okay on Wednesday? But he said no. He wasn't going to negotiate. He did tell me to call him on my lunch break on Wednesday and we would do a visualization and then to call him after the Dr appointment to debrief. So it's not like he just hung me out to dry completely, but this plan isn't ideal for me either.

We didn't come to this plan together. Pastor T said no SH and there wasn't any wiggle room for me. I'm kind of a rule-follower for the most part so I don't feel like I can just do whatever I want since he told me that I can't. I thought T's were supposed to collaboratively come up with goals that you are supposed to try to achieve. I can understand that SH is bad for me and not healthy and stuff like that, but what if it were a different sort of pattern, like over-eating, or shopping, or over-exercising? Would that have made a difference?
I'm kind of mad at Pastor T because I feel like my biggest, best coping mechanism has been taken away when I need it. So I feel....punished? And it is driving up the anxiety. When you are told you can't do something, it makes it harder to not do that something. Maybe that is resistance. Maybe that is opposition. Maybe that is human nature. I can't see myself SH-ing and then keeping it a secret from him. But if I SH it feels like there is too much riding on it, since he explicitly told me not to.

I did use my social supports and texted and called a few friends to have them give me support today. One even offered to go to the Dr appointment with me, but that would have just been weird so I declined. So I am trying to use other coping skills.

I don't know if this is somewhat a battle of the wills. I don't know if this is a battle against authority. I don't know if this is just me being frustrated that one thing I planned on getting me through the appointment today is forbidden. I know all of this stuff should ideally be talked through with Pastor T. But it is going to be a few weeks before my next appointment with him as he is having knee surgery on Monday. And it's going to be too long to talk to him about it on the phone today. Plus I'm not good at bringing up stuff that is bothering me to the person that brought up the stuff that is bothering me. Confrontation. Not my strong suit.

I know that SH is a sticky issue. That technically he could make me go to the hospital or something if he feels I am at risk to myself. I don't know if he would do that, but I know it's an option he has. I know he is coming from a good place. That he is trying to keep me safe. That he is trying to grow me. And heal me. I do understand that and I do appreciate that. But it is super hard to have the one coping mechanism that always works taken away. Does a therapist have the right to tell you that you can't do something? I mean, they do have some authority but is this a good time to exercise it? I'm not sure I trust myself to think clearly about all of this so I am presenting it to the group. I'm not sure I have the right to be angry about it, although I've been told feelings are feelings and they are neither good or bad, it just depends what you do with them. I'm not sure he had the right to tell me I couldn't do something. Honestly, it probably would have gone a lot better if he could have gotten me to come around to the idea and agree to it. Like I'd really like to put this goal in place for you, and I'd really like to get you on board, what would that take? But the authoritarian rule is bugging me.

Either way I'm stuck. I can't SH until Friday because he didn't say anything about after Thursday. I'm just not happy about it. I wasn't in the decision making process but I am bound by the decision. This sucks. Thanks to everyone who reads this. Kit
admitting I didn't read the whole post here …

my first response is wait a minute how does he plan on enforcing you cant do any self harm.. is he going to come to your house and restrain you, take away every object in your home for, for every object is a home there is a way to use that item in negative ways....

of course not right... line in the sand no one but you can tell you that you can not self harm...

no Im not advocating for doing it just stating a simple fact. unless this pastor plans to be with you every second of the day and night those days he can not legally nor ethically say to you, you can not self harm on those days.

he can on the other hand make a treatment plan with you where ……………..you ……………..make an agreement that you will not do so on those days.

only you can control you and what you do.

usually when treatment providers make a no self harm contract it spells out what both sides agree to. and what the consequenses for not following through with that agreement are going to be...

think of it like buying a car.

you go to a car dealer ship, pick out a car, sign a contract and then you are choosing to either follow that contract or risk the consequenses (car being repo'ed by the dealership for breaching the contract.

you and your pastor have made a no self harm contract.

now you get to choose whether you are going to follow through with that no self harm contract or accept the consequences.

with my treatment providers I have a no self harm contract and the consequenses for my choosing to not follow through with it is being hospitalized for stabilization, medication adjustments and so forth.

my suggestion talk with your pastor to clarify what your no self harm contract entails and what the not following through with the contracted days will have for consequenses.

then you can decide for yourself whether you want to make changes to your no self harm contract or leave it as is and either don't self harm per the contract or accept the consequenses for acting on the self harm.