Thanx to all, my daughter actually will not admit to me what she did. Excuses about scratches, other "accidental" hurts, I used them all too. But she knows that I know anyhow, and if she wants to talk to me, she should know she can. We sometimes have a strained relationship, but we try. I've been reading alot of your postings and you've got me thinking about some things. I tend to be very self- analytical. So I think this is good for me.