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Buffy01 I almost never have access to ice when I need to cut. Drawing on myself with a marker does no good. It's the pain that helps me, but it's the specific type of pain. Which is why I always have a specific type of blade near by. Those who know specifically how I cut are not worried about me going to deep because they know it's not possible. Their main concern is "You shouldn't do it." Because that's what Society has ingrained in their mind.