wow this is heavy...how do we know if these guys are right...the hahn guy and the zinn guy...what do they know that we don't...does this work ...i hope so...otherwise i have been wasting time....but fathers day i was practicing mindfulness....and when i got in my car i just started screaming and crying because of how i treated my own children...so when i talked to each kid it was really good...it turned out to be one of my best fathers day...and i didn't end up blaming somebody else...for who they are...