@tigerlily84 I did check out Kris Godinez and the talk I listened to covered the different Custer B personality disorders. In therapy when I reached out for help because my sister was so toxic I did not know what to do. Three different therapists told me her behaviors are very disordered and mentioned both borderline personality disorder and NPD. Listening to the talk I was wondering about the darkest borderline called the witch. (Something so many call my older sister)Then when Kris talked about covert narcissist I could see a lot of that too. And the Machiavellian that uses religion or having special powers. And choosing to do mean things and feeling pleasure in hurting like a conquest.

I am sorry for anyone exposed to such a dark personality. Though I had not heard of gray rock before I did practice it on my own as a way to survive some very bad behaviors beyond anything I could ever imagine doing myself. Well some people are very disordered and can be very dark and cruel.

The best way to handle it is distancing yourself and that can be hard when this presence is a family member. A lot of people say to just focus on behaviors which is something I had done a lot. However I wish I had known about these dark personality disorders years ago as I feel it would have prepared me to realize how dark and cold and calculated these individuals can get.