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I still can't figure out if the depression is the cause of my negative self image or if my negative self image is cause for the depression.

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Good point, isolated guy. That's a classic piece of philosophical thinking - the chicken and the egg.

Maybe they reinforce each other and we get stuck in the hopeless loop. I'm interested in breaking out of that loop. We all know that we can't get out of depression with will power, but maybe we can try to recognise our value as we carry the weight.

Ouch! I'm sounding dangerously like a self- help book here, so it's time for me to shut up I think.

Cheers, Myzen