no disrespect intended 90mph, if there is a shread of cooperation I believe there can always be a chance with enough therapy - but as RiverX said, when children are involved it's more urgent to get them to a safe, emotional place for good, healthy development.

Jealous of N's self love? Puh-leeeze. If you could see it from the other angle, it's revolting.

Jealousy has no place in a relationship either. Just doesn't seem healthy. And that's the goal we all shoot for, right? to have a healthy (or as healthy as possible) life?

it seems from the originating post that cooperation is already right out the window. nobody, NOBODY deserves to be treated like a doormat or an object. I'm all for 'fighting for love' (been there done that), but when the proverbial brick wall has been hit and all available help has been called in and failed, WHY STAY????