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sarahsweets · Aug 28, 2021, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rive.

What does someone's vaccination status have to do with *others* deciding to wear masks. Being vaccinated does NOT provide immunity. One can *still* catch and transmit the virus. A T could be vaccinated yet they can get infected and transmit it to their clients. Wearing a mask is for one's protection. And ought not to be dependent on other people's vaccination status.

And sorry but yes, revealing one's vaccination status IS protected health information. Just like a health professional ought not go ask that question to a patient, or if they did, said patient is NOT obligated to reveal this as, again, it is private, protected, health information.

No one said vaccines provide immunity who said that?
I don’t think I understand your point about catching Covid after vaccination and then transmitting it. No one said you wouldn’t be able to transmit it. If you have a breakthrough case, you are contagious just like if you had no vaccine and you caught Covid.

You literally just said a therapist can be vaccinated and then transmit it to their clients! Which is exactly why this therapist should’ve either put on a mask, reveal their vaccinations that is, we encourage the client to wear a mask. Of course masks are for a personal level of protection, but if you understand the way Covid it is transmitted and how cloth masks work(not n95) everybody else’s respiratory droplets get sprayed into the air every time you breathe talk sing etc.

so if John Doe refuses to wear a mask and coughs or talks and gets all up in everybody’s personal space all throughout a grocery store one day he is spreading it. Now Jane Doe wears her mask. So she is less likely to inhale the obnoxious droplets coming out of John doe. However if John Doe and Jane Doe both wear their masks think about how wonderfully protected everyone will be?

I don’t know you and in a perfect world it would be great if we didn’t have to rely on other people being vaccinated but unfortunately contagious viruses like Covid don’t work that way. And because it is so contagious, and deadly in addition to long term consequences, AND is now making people sick across all demographics, it’s time to think of the greater good. Not to mention doesn’t anybody care about overwhelming the health system?

I am so over people comparing it to the flu, or citing statistics that imply that only 1% of people actually get sick and die or that 99.9% of people recover. Show me that source and where I can look it up and then I’ll believe it.

I’m not saying this is how you feel, but in the very beginning people just kind of blew it off all together because it was only the old people, or those terrible people with comorbid conditions dying and flooding the hospitals not us “normies” and many people callously said that it was their fault that they had these conditions or were old so… sucks to be them?
Now all sorts of healthy people including children are flooding the hospitals to the point where there’s no other available intensive care beds, so you would think it would be a no-brainer all the nonsense would stop. And yet it continues!

Arent there other people who care about their community and society and humanity? When the hell did we get so lazy and selfish that A cloth mask is now being compared to your constitutional rights being violated?

No one likes to be dependent on somebody else’s healthcare choices ( or lack of effort ) but virology and immunology doesn’t work that way. Herd immunity is not just letting people die off until the virus goes away- it also means to artificially create herd immunity so it protects most everyone.
Many times I hear people bring up statistics regarding the Spanish flu. All told the Spanish flu worked itself through North America (USA) in roughly 2 years. If I remember correctly there was an initial peak and then some seasonal peaks I think there were two large ones. I think the world death count for the Spanish flu is like 50 million.

In particular the reason why it spread so crazy fast was because there were no standards for preventing the spread of illnesses and disease. They did not know enough about it. And we were literally in the middle of a world war so the Spanish flu was free flowing across all the continents.

Even more importantly because of the world war almost all governments involved refused to allow any sort of reporting or sharing of information about the virus. Each country was operating with own rules in the dark. The second wave was the most deadly due to the fact that the mutation in Europe was infecting at a faster rate, infecting children and the old, and also middle-age people. And even though quarantining was a basic measure of sense, no country would do it.

I bring up things like overwhelming the healthcare system for good reasons. For the Spanish flu the other major factors that made quarantining, caring for, and even burying all of the sick or dead people was because of a nursing shortage. In that case it was due to the fact that the government had redirected most nurses or available nurses to war efforts. So there just wasn’t enough nurses at home to take care of all of the sick people. Oh and nurses were getting sick as well.

Anyhow in 1918, lack of knowledge, military ambitions and ill prepared healthcare systems were the greatest contributors to the death counts.

Now we have all of this information and understanding and yet…. Here we go again. @rive you said we shouldn’t be dependent on other peoples vaccine status. Is that an across-the-board statement? Are you saying even the very young, the very old and vulnerable should not hope or rely on the good sense of other decent people to get their vaccine and help with community spread and protection ? So who should we be dependent on? Who are we supposed to look to for advice and medical information? How can we collectively work on making this virus go away?
Did you attend school? Did you attend public school? You are required to provide vaccine information for your children or yourself to attend most public schools. And they just come right out and ask you right there in the school office, that information is not private.

And another thing, local departments of health are responsible for tracking outbreaks of anything. Whether it’s an intestinal virus, or a global pandemic, their job is to monitor, study, track, educate and mitigate whatever The current threat is. Doing all of that requires statistics. Where do you think they get those from?

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