ive been following this thread some... i see a distinct difference in philosophy..

one side saying ppl are bad at times and can be educated..

one side says ppl are bad and should be punished...

i'm going with the education angle and those who harm should be kept separate from the rest of society if they are incapable of reversing negative projections about death and pain...

educating others on the other hand is empowering for those who wish to transcend..

thank you for allowing my interjections... best hopes for all