I said it..suggested it. i'm suggesting it is part of the spectrum... overt sexuality-oriented on one end, and shapeless-genderless on the other. It wasnt any sort of accusation.

we live in the real world, no doubt... and how you dress affects how others perceive you/me... but should it? Not IMO.

the whole thing is a spectrum... and yeah, i have my own personal lines and they are different from others. My suggestions are simply to consider what the ultra-conservative stance vs. overtly sexual stance is at the other end of the spectrum is before one decides where the line is for them.

muscle T's... yep, made to accentuate, but we werent allowed to expose an ankle not so long ago. In Canada (and the UK) it was into the 1930's before women were legally considered persons under the law. i personally can't put them in the same category because of that separation in the larger sense. Men just are not as fearful of exposure, as a group i mean. The perception of them as objects isnt nearly so imposed. i am certain i would be more concerned (and i have to be) about whether i'd be considered "sexy" at work then any man ever will.

should people observe some sort of professional dress which moves away from sexuality? probably.. but who gets to define that?

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But I guess I am saying that his wearing that was likely to have them respond in this way. If he didn't want them to respond in that way then there are plenty of well cut clothes that are fashionable and stylish

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a person is responsible for the thoughts/emotions of another? if i wear a clown suit i'm probably trying to make someone think funny thoughts... but how far removed from the clown suit can i go without that conclusion? Is the showing of the body explicitly sexual? In the same direct connection as the clown example? im not upset, i'm simply posing the questions..

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I don't really see muscle t's or cleavage doing much for the 'I'm a competent professional' image, however...

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oh, i totally agree... with muscle T's... and i'd agree with belly showing shirts.. or thongs over the waist band... but not with showing a little cleavage or an ankle for women... or short sleeves/tighter shirt on a man. (and wearing a T shirt isn't presenting oneself as a professional generally, regardless of tightness... but that is my own line, depending on the profession)

Samuel clements said "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. "

btw... thank you guys for participating without arguing or fighting