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Old Aug 24, 2023, 10:02 AM
Earendil Earendil is offline
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Originally Posted by ArmorPlate108 View Post
Wow, that's a mess. I'm so sorry for all that you have gone through, just shaking my head over here.

I don't have much time at the moment, but would point you to YouTube and when narcissists slander you. That may not be precisely what you're dealing with, but it would probably feel familiar enough to give you some ideas. Dr. Ramani is always a good place to start. Maybe others will have other ideas.

I've dealt with people similar to what you've described, and the hardest thing for me to ever wrap my head around, was that they enjoyed it to the degree they did, even when a normal person would not. Like when you confronted the BIL, you were probably thinking you were going to have an adult conversation and get on the same page with him. I did that for years before coming to understand that they intentionally do not want to be on the same page because it's how they maintain control. They don't care how dirty or damaged they become, so long as they feel like they are in the control position.

There's a book titled "Controlling People" that explains this sick dynamic very well. The more you fight it, the more they like it, the worse it gets. The only thing that seems to work is to take a detached, high ground stance and keep it at all costs. What that does is stop giving them the feedback that they crave and enjoy. They're like dogs with squeaky toys- they chew and chomp, and it makes noise and gives them the feedback they like. It's not easy, especially with that dynamic you have going on.

You're in a tough place. My heart goes out to you.
Thank you, I appreciate that. I've watched several of Dr. Ramani's videos, she's fantastic. And you're right, I did expect to have an adult conversation with my BIL, at least the first time. The second time went about how I expected, the only difference was that the "neutral" party I thought was there to help wasn't as neutral as I had hoped.

I'll check out that book, it seems like a good resource. I don't really want to repair our relationship, but it will be helpful to know how to recognize this behavior in the future. I would love to send a copy to Katie, but that's probably too passive-aggressive. She is being completely controlled by them, down to them choosing who her friends are. They are classic "mean girls". I always thought the movie was a caricature, but I've come to realize that it's very, very real.