I think it’s all within you. It sounds like the people involved, Bob, his wife, your wife, haven’t done anything unkind with the information of the IVF. It sounds like Bob has possibly matured a lot from the young man who teased you over 20 years ago about your height, is that so? As for your wife, she was simply stating the truth, she didn’t perceive any shame in IVF because to most people it’s not shameful in any way.

Do you feel deep down that IVF was shameful?