Thanks for the discussion on my comments. Before more people get upset or misinterpret what I'm really trying to say, let me just clarify a bit. It might be hard to get the intended meaning from that since I used a lot of sarcasm, and that's harder to detect in print.

I actually like DBT quite a bit, and I'm not really attacking DBT. But I would like people to realize that there are elements of DBT that might make some people uncomfortable, and also that religion is involved in the philosophy and theoretical basis for DBT. Meditation and mindfulness are religious practices. Of course each person who learns them may use them in their own way and assign meaning to them as they choose. But isn't that true of any religious practices? You choose how you practice religion and what meaning it has for you. Why should Eastern religious practices be venerated and religions that are more familiar to most of us be shunned? The only difference is that one is less recognized as religion by most people here.

Regarding change and the discomfort of being challenged, there are many here who are actively working toward change and who set a steady example of making the effort to improve. Mouse, I hope you know that I really admire all the growth and change that you share with us here. What I hoped to point out was that DBT isn't comfortable for some people, and change and being challenged are so uncomfortable for a lot here that quite often there is a very vocal group that protests when anything is challenged. And I don't think that we really should sanitize the forums to make sure that everything that makes someone uncomfortable is eliminated. I think that we should be about change here. My point is really that certain groups do protest that certain topics should not be discussed here, but those topics are an important part of life and healing and mental health for a lot of us. The only difference is that certain controversial subjects actually do get eliminated because they make some people uncomfortable, and others are tolerated even though there is probably at least as much discomfort for some people. I think that discomfort is often an essential element of change. What else would motivate us enough to do something so scary as to change ourselves?