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I'm sorry... I didn't mean to offend you. I felt this coming.... I deleted and rewrote my response several times... I was a bit offended by a few of your statements and thought rather than trying to sort them out, it would be easier to just let the thread end. You do have a sharp tongue when you want to... that's ok, even that has it's purpose, but few may be able to appreciate it....

I get so frustrated trying to explain why certain things offend me. I never feel that the other party involved is listening to me, and instead becomes pre-occupied with defending themselves. Hence, my invalidation.

First, I did acknowledge the need for self-development before attempting to influence any one, in any way. Re-read my post. You skipped right past this point in rushing to "correct" my thinking.

Second, you referred me back to Rapunzels post to re-read something, I don't even know what, as if I hadn't read it at all in the first place. I did and I thought it was a great post, and if you refer to Fromm, you'll see his theory supports my own statements.

Third, depression is after all, a normal response to incredible conflicts. Depression itself is no fun, and that wasn't my implication. Defeating depression, and the causes which cause it to arise is a triumph for the soul and the solutions generated are a benefit to all, not just the sufferer. My point was that in helping ourselves, we help many. Life is an evolutionary process. Could you imagine the first humans being depressed for not having fire? Instead of wallowing in it, someone found a way to use it. The depression led to a solution we have all benefitted from.

These three points seemed insurmountable to me to make, and I was ready to give up. Thanks for pushing me on. I appreciate your patience, and would appreciate your understanding. We can work thru our disagreements and still both win. We can agree to disagree and still gaet something from each other. What do you say?

((((((((((( September)))))))))) I'm reminded of the "Everyone is your teacher" post. Those that irritate you most have the greatest lessons to impart you. I am learning Sept., don't give up either, ok?

"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but rising every time we fall." Confucius