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Individuals with BPD don't "LOVE to manipulate." What people like YOU refer to as manipulation is actually a coping skill for individuals who haven't really learned how to ask for what they need, especially in relationships.

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Pinksoil, thank you so much for this! Not only for expanding on the concept of manipulation and for defending lovely people for whom the term Borderline PD applies, but I think you just helped me understand more about my current bout with depression. I've been trying to get to the bottom of it. I kept coming back to something I want from T that I can't have. I have asked and been told "No" and that's where I always leave it. I'm not as smart as MissCharlotte to know how to ask again in another way. My way is to drop it, never mention it again, suffer and feel like I deserve to suffer because of the shame I feel about having asked for something not possible. I think I am mourning a lot, including not knowing how to talk about what I want more. I can't have it but I can talk about it.