great line of posts thanks for sharing... I love that we can look at this stuff look at the whole beast without knowing for sure what to do about it but learning as we go... In a strange way I think it is beautiful that we all know these struggles and this pain that in the we dimension of existence there is this miraculous resonance of commom understanding and common trials and common experience as we slay this dragon called life. Also really liked adieuolivaw post as it spoke so much to the autonomy/assertion communion balance that I believe is so important... Myzen story on other hand is just sheer pain and opening to the slings and arrows of outragious fortune... Nothing to do here but sit with the resonant pain in myself that I feel upon listening... This pain, the hurt self, is a definate component of everyone period... I sit with the evoked resonant hurt in myself . William James said awareness in itself is curative..