I appreciate the wisdom you've all shared. I guess I've got alot of learning to do - like backing off, being patient and just being there (sometimes saying nothing says volumes). We're going to see about moving him to a different school... one that has more structure and hopefully more active learning. Am determined to turn over every stone I can till we find the best way for him. I really don't mean to complain and moan and groan. He's worth every bit of frustration, it's just at times I get weary and need to remind myself to back off, but still keep searching. Thanks for listening and for the advice. I'll still be around, as everyone gets back into a routine of sorts, I'll probaby come bug you all. PC is a pretty cool place to be... thanks.