Wonderful post Wants2. And Angie, you're not rambling at all. Those of us who are victims will continue to remain so until we do something about it. We are responsible for our own healing. While we may not know exactly how to get from the pain to the joy, it's up to us to take the first step. I played the victim for many years to try to gain the attention of others. It was a feeble attempt to fill the void in my soul. This makes for a piss poor relationship. Now who's rambling?

Ry