gosh.......i don't think that the self-esteem forum is here for arguments of this kind. i might be wrong, but this got to a boiling point here and i regret that. i'd like to suggest that if we have a point to make and we're even a tiny bit sure that an argument is going to break out, do it in a personal message. i think it's one thing to try to support someone by pointing out inconsistencies or similiar things..but to down right fight over a difference in theory is a bit much...i want to stress the part of my sentence that says "try to support someone".....that's why we're here. we need it and we give it.....xoxoxo pat p.s. look for the bread pudding recipe in the food forum..