Lenny, i dont think you understand. Of course people should have a place to go where they can discuss what they want. That was the purpose of the social groups. I dont think the aim was to set up an exclusive group that had within its goals exclusion of others. The thing with the group we are all talking about is that not anyone can join. Its not open to all interested parties. It has been restricted to those ina little group that seem to feel they can only speak in secret. Its really sad this is happening here and if it was a straight forward as joining a group tp learn how to knit it would not be a problem. Thing is, its not quite that. Its a little more important and certainly a bigger issue than knitting