yes i agree... this thread isn't about abuse, it's clear we all say thats always wrong.
The point we.... or at least I am trying to make is that you can raise your kids without spanking them (wich is just a milder form of violence in my opinion). So why hold on to spanking anyway? I don't see a reason.

And yes Sept and Muffy are right as well... all those other things like really listening to your kids, knowing whats going on, spending time together for simple family activities etc are important too...
Kids probably get more problems if these things are lacking then when they get spanked ocassionaly.

Now I've had a horrible example of parenthood (my parents abused me and my brother in about every way possible) I have no kids and no desire to ever get them... also im 15 so not an adult yet...so I guess you can say who are you to act like u know it better then me...
But I'm just saying what I think about the topic and I'm glad there are some people here who agree with me.

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