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Old Oct 21, 2008, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by multipixie9 View Post
when i go down to be baseline of all of this we are all saying - love the children and train them to be good, responsible people. do NOT do things that break their hearts, their spirit, their minds or bodies - that is hellishly wrong.!!!!!!
That is exactly what my mother promised that she would do (and she succeeded), so you can guess how I come down in this discussion.

Still, I would like to say that "violence" is not identical in all situations to the use of "force". It is useful to be precise in the words you use and how you use them.
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