I appreciate all the responses in this thread, and think those who have contributed have maintained a potentially "hot topic" very well. I appreciate that more than you know.

That said, as with any long conversation that can take twists and turns, this has taken a turn to the "religious". I would ask that the religious discussion be kept to a minimal and if you feel you can't do that, you might want to revisit the thread at another time, or place your response in PM.

Because of the nature of some of the postings, I've removed three (quoting of the Bible or quoting posts quoting the Bible). Please refer to the guidelines when posting which states that we should keep the discussion of religious matters limited. Quoting the Bible or going into specific religious beliefs for discussion isn't limited. I'm sorry.

Again, I appreciate the responses here, but moreso the consideration used in wording them for all reading. Please continue to use that consideration as well as the guidelines.

KD