Thanks madisgram, It is good to hear success stories. We are struggling to understand if our son is really bipolar or if he did something terrible because he was so desperate to get out of the wilderness program. He has been diagnosed as bp but I don't really understand it. This violence was such a shock because he is very angry, which his doc said is one of the main signs of bp in teens ,but has never been physically violent. He is in a school that looks very hopeful to us in discovering his problem and finding what the right meds will be. I guess this episode made me feel like maybe he is just a bad person but he never was like this till 2 years ago and that is when he told us there was something wrong with his mind because his thoughts just raced all the time. I think it was becoming unbearable to him and that is when he started self medicating with his own drugs. Seems to be such a viscious cycle. Thank you for the hope, Raisin