i wanted to reply here Lenny out of my high regard for you and your caring attitude towards all of us... im admitting to myself also some unhealthy dependencies and so i agree with you about the importance of surrendering our past ways of thinking and all that may then follow...

for me it was a day when i knew i was completely powerless over many factors in my life.. i had lived in ways that today i am amazed i have survived... i had also climbed and achieved to quickly and without notice of many finer things nearby..

i was made to fall and fall again before i was ready for the surrender.... all that has followed is what makes the journey worth all the effort.... to share our experiences and the steps of recovery with each other is the spirit of healing.. thanks always Lenny..