Ah Myzen, thank you for following along here. You seem to draw freely from a broad and classical education with wisdom and insight. Love the N. quote.

And all of you have shared good exchanges here, I can't seem to muster myself for the individual response approach here, lazy sqrl disorder or something. So, thank you all.

Bob Marely wrote, " Free yourselves from mental slavery; none but ourselves can free our minds." Indeed, the gauntlet thrown down by MI is a challenge on that order. If we do not change the way we think, the way we think will never change. What could better describe "death" than a cessation of that endeavor or a limiting of it?

The business of suspending belief and disbelief, while phrased variously, is at the core of most therapy approaches. The way we think has everything to do with the way we perceive and understand the world and ourselves within it.

Is it really true that a religeous belief is exempt from even examination? I wonder if that could be explained in rational philosophical terms without resorting to what is religeous testimony? It seems like a practice which is fundamentally undermining to sound mental health.