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I am reminded of the saying of people who characterized themselves as survivors of the mental health system, particularly several years ago:
"Nothing about us without us."
That is, don't treat us without including us in the decision process. Anyway, EM, I think you are getting a good grasp on all this!
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Now if thou would'st
When all have given him o'er
From death to life
Thou might'st him yet recover
-- Michael Drayton 1562 - 1631
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