It has got to be understood that spanking should be used as a last resort rather than a first resort.

After using methods such as time out with an explaination star charts with an explaination discussion with the child individualy and as a family, you reach the point where the child cannot have that thing explained to them because they just dont think that way.

Then comes the time when cause and effect has to be shown to them because of the impact that it is having on the rest of the family, see Juran's 80:20 theory.

To say that there should be no ultimate deterant means we need to ban capital punishment world wide and close all the prisons, and just have a chat with offenders.