yes.......infantrydude and street......both tried to drown and drug away there problems.......it just became to much....could not deny thier traumas anymore....did what needed to be done.....AA many years...until stories started triggering other parts......aa suggests work.....did the work to get some type of stability......then........found god.......now......outpatient therapy............not as intense...........AA is gods kindergarten(as bill sees it)........had to crawl before i could walk......