[Demon]

I've been reported to the police in the past for breaking the law and banned or kicked off almost every forum I've ever joined for breaking the rules. Oftentimes, it's not because I didn't care about the consequences, but because I just wasn't thinking about them at all. The consequences never really occurred to me until they happened. That doesn't mean I was unaware of them. I just didn't give them much thought because all I could think about was doing what I wanted to do.

Can any of you here relate to that? Are you always aware of the consequences of your actions, but simply don't care about them or do you find that you just don't give them much thought at all and act without thinking?

I should add here that I don't place moral judgement on anything I do, which is likely why I keep doing the same things that get me into trouble. I'm aware of what society deems as 'bad', 'wrong' or 'evil', but in my mind, none of those moral values exist because that's not the way I look at things.

[Atypical_Disaster]

I haven't broken the law but I can relate to this dynamic. It's not that I don't care about the consequences, I just don't think about them at the time because I'm so focused on what I'm doing. This is usually what's behind most of my impulsive behavior, I know the consequences but in the heat of the moment it slips my mind and then afterward it's like well, that didn't go according to plan. Hahaha.

It's the latter for me. Between the ages of 10-14, I use to hit animals that I percieved didn't get along with me. At the time, I believed it didn't matter, they were just 'mean' animals and I was 'defending' myself. I didn't feel like what I was doing was that bad, but I knew it was wrong. At 15, I got a kitten and I felt like a horrible scumbag for subjecting animals before it to pain only because they disliked me.

I was always a loner as a kid. Although I felt compassionate about the things most people felt the same toward, there were qualities about me that always seemed a bit antisocial. I never liked hanging out with other kids and mostly kept to myself.

I was also very narcassitic about myself. I used to see myself having qualities superior to those of my peers, even most adults around me.

Sometimes I consider that I may have a dissociative disorder.

[Demon]

@ Atypical_Disaster

That's exactly how it is for me. I have some impulse control issues. I can be so focused on the desired goal that nothing else matters. I'm not even thinking about the consequences. I always expect to get away with things though too, which means that I'm not always considering the risks involved.

That's not always true though. I'm not as reckless as those who always end up in jail. I do have a certain amount of self-control and can take calculated risks when it comes to doing something dangerous. I have been lucky to not get caught or seriously injured so far though because I've done some pretty reckless things in the past.

[Demon]

Originally Posted by wonderingaboutme1

It's the latter for me. Between the ages of 10-14, I use to hit animals that I percieved didn't get along with me. At the time, I believed it didn't matter, they were just 'mean' animals and I was 'defending' myself. I didn't feel like what I was doing was that bad, but I knew it was wrong. At 15, I got a kitten and I felt like a horrible scumbag for subjecting animals before it to pain only because they disliked me.

I was always a loner as a kid. Although I felt compassionate about the things most people felt the same toward, there were qualities about me that always seemed a bit antisocial. I never liked hanging out with other kids and mostly kept to myself.

I was also very narcassitic about myself. I used to see myself having qualities superior to those of my peers, even most adults around me.

Sometimes I consider that I may have a dissociative disorder.

How does any of that relate to what I've posted about breaking rules and whether or not you think about the consequences?

Are you saying that you used to abuse animals because you didn't think about the consequences, but now you do?

I use to abuse animals too. Not because I thought they were 'mean', but because they annoyed me and hurting them, in my mind, was the best way to solve the problem. I just wanted to shut them up.

I don't abuse animals anymore because I don't keep them anymore. I finally learned that I don't have the patience to look after them properly, so I'm better off without them.

When I was hurting animals, I realized I was breaking the rules (my parent's, society's, etc), but I went through with it anyway, and didn't seem to care at the time. I made sure not to get caught, because I knew the consequences, I just wanted to keep getting away with it because it was oddly theraputic.

I was 'aware of the consequences of my actions, but simply didn't care about them'...as long as I didn't have to face these consequences. I had a different mind set, but I was going through a rough time in life after the age of ten and therapy wasn't being handed to me as an option. Top it off with being an angry prepubecent boy, and physical abuse on a weaker individual makes sense.

I was able to replace caring for animals with hurting them for therapy, but it took me a few years and some growing up (just mentioning that).

If that still doesn't answer the question you originally posted, disregard my misunderstanding of what you had asked.

[derangedunit]

consequence has shown itself to me in various forms. i as well have been kicked of of many forums and irc chats, mostly just for being honest to people who aren't capable of hearing it... that doesn't bother me in the slightest(actually there was a time when it was a fun game... see how many forums i could get blocked from without breaking any rules and only using what they say against them ) there were a few that were on accident(don't go on domestic abuse chats and say.... "you know it doesn't sound like he did anything wrong") i have rarely been in trouble with the law, the police are almost always friendly with me, they knew me by name in the towns i frequented, when a house i was in was raided they would joke with us.... only actually got in trouble once... and that was because i wasnt taking it seriously in the slightest... i was in another state with a group of people drinking at a park, a ranger pulls me aside and said i was seen littering. i look to the cup in my hand say "this cup?" set it on the ground and say "oops i'm littering again" ... little did i know littering there was a misdemeanor and my perfect record is now stained with a court date... of course i said your highness cutely and only had to pay court fees but still on my "permanent record" and all that.... i dont mind so much, i was more just shocked... i laughed for days, all that i've done and thats what they get me for... littering ha, hilarious.

humans try to place rules for me to follow... but even if i know the consequences and dont exactly like them... i see it as a challenge, i HAVE to break the rules... as a way of saying i am independent, separate from their influence and no amount of beating me will ever change that.... i forget about it the second it stops and bounce away and break the same rule again.

i did a lot of dissecting or hunting when i was young, half because i was starving a lot of my childhood.... sure i could convince strangers to buy me food but that never felt as good as killing it yourself, before i would eat things i would usually study them, i didnt see it as being cruel, i still dont... they are animals, i was going to eat it, i just wanted to learn what i could about its anatomy first, this would involve seeing which things i could take out before they would die, how long they would live with different things removed, what you could poke that would make something else move, and the parts i didnt eat i sold to the neighbor kids,squirrel and bird heads on sticks $5... went across a lot better than i thought it would until it started tracing back to me... dont see how thats cruelty though so couldnt imagine what the consequences would be.... well the consequences were a damn tasty squirrel lol

[derangedunit]

hmmm i responded to this but the mods didnt post it... guess that says something about consequence...

It wasn't about killing for me. I want to go to therapy because I think about how I displaced anger on animals that rejected me and would hurt them when I was 10-14. It's as if I would collect all of the rejection I felt at school, and from my parent; I stored it, put it away in a box. What I would do now is go to therapy, look at it in retrospective with an unbiased party. Back then, that wasn't an outlet. One day I tried to look for affection in an animal when I was 14. I hurt animals before, but this is an animal I hurt more than once. When it hurt me (looking at it, I could tell it was just scared and I had just gotten it), I hit it back. It hurt me again, I hit it back again. A few weeks later (I think a week shy of a month) I didn't want my pet anymore, and told my mom I didn't want it. She knew this pet didn't like me (probably would have if I wasn't being terrible and gave it some time), and didn't ask why. Whenever I would 'defend myself', I felt better. It felt good to fight back. I didn't understand then that I wasn't mad at the animal. I was mad at my mom, kids at school, and took it out (projected) on this animal that only hurt me because it didn't know me.

I consider that I was 10-14 before I got a pet that made me change my mind. I also consider that most other 10-14 year olds didn't harm animals, even when dealing with feelings of rejection. That's what scares me. I used to have night terrors about it after finding out that most serial killers started out this way. I was very spooked. I never wanted to tell anyone because I didn't want to be treated like a maniac. Even though I stopped, that statistic creeped me out. I've allowed it to be used against me recently. By allowed, I mean have allowed it to make me feel like I did back when I had nightmares about it.

[IndieVisible]

What the heck is this thread about? Who doesn't understand there consequences for any action? It's really a question of do you always care or not. What does getting kicked out of forums have to do with any of this too? I have gotten banned and infractions for being to blunt or honest. Generally I get warned then I decide if I care or not. I care in this forum, and some others, and in some I don't care. This sounds like a really silly topic. Rules and Law breaking lol. I'm not getting the purpose here I guess.

[Demon]

Originally Posted by IndieVisible

What the heck is this thread about?

The point of this thread was to see if others could relate to what I posted about acting without thinking. Breaking the rules and/or laws is usually a consequence of those actions in certain structured environments, thus the reason why I mentioned getting banned or kicked off forums.

I thought I'd made that pretty clear.

Who doesn't understand there consequences for any action?

I don't recall anyone mentioning that they don't understand the consequences of their actions. Acting on impulse simply means that you're not thinking about the consequences. It doesn't mean you don't understand them or aren't aware that they exist.

Originally Posted by Demon

I don't recall anyone mentioning that they don't understand the consequences of their actions. Acting on impulse simply means that you're not thinking about the consequences. It doesn't mean you don't understand them or aren't aware that they exist.

Exactly. I don't think everyone that has ASPD goes rampid about everything they feel impulsive about. There are some impulses that someone with ASPD may give into because they don't mind doing detention for an hour. They know they'll get it, but it doesn't matter all that much to them.

If someone with ASPD didn't understand consequences, well, that would be entirely different.

Even people without ASPD sometimes get an urge to want to run a jerk over or throw them off the top of a building. They don't because just because you feel like doing something doesn't mean it's justified, and even if you feel it is, you probably do not feel responsible for the reaction you may get as a result (jail time, etc).

I do think People with ASPD have restraint.

I know the consequences of every action & I consider them. Which is why I've only ever gotten into trouble once & it was when I was in my teens. That's not to say I've cooled down my behaviour -- if you know the consequences thoroughly, you know how to avoid them. If you don't like getting into ****, don't do whatever it is that will get you there. Pure & simple. Repeating the same action over & over again & expecting a different result? Well, I'm sure everyone knows what that is indicative of.

[Demon]

Originally Posted by Shayatanica

if you know the consequences thoroughly, you know how to avoid them.

That's not entirely true. You can know the consequences all you like, but if you have impulse control issues, you may not be able to avoid them ... unless you can think quick on your feet or you're very lucky.

It's easy for someone to tell you to think before you act, but it's not always easy to do. Even if you do think before you act, you may still disregard the consequences anyway because there's a certain thrill in doing something that is considered 'wrong' or illegal, knowing that you could get caught.

True. But for anyone who is invested in their own self-interest, either overcoming impulsivity or learning to think faster would be recommended.

And yes, there is a thrill, which is why I noted that I just haven't gotten in trouble. Not that I live by the law when I can help it.

[Swabbingred]

Why did you get banned from psychforums?

[Demon]

Originally Posted by Swabbingred

Why did you get banned from psychforums?

I got banned for posting a violent video which broke the site rules, apparently.

[jeppys]

@indievisible: i guess you have articulated exactly what you questioned and you are right. you cannot have consequences in mind if the point at which you start to care is after you receive an infraction. this speaks to the object, its being exploited and the consequences of that action. if you care about something, you will not act in such a way that will create a separation between you and the object. if you don't care, the removal of the object is of little or no consequence as the procurement of another object is a constant mission anyway.

[Perna]

Originally Posted by Demon

I just didn't give them much thought because all I could think about was doing what I wanted to do.

Is that a problem for you, do you care? You get to choose what you want to do. You could practice/get in the habit of thinking first, if you wanted, just as you have gotten into the habit of responding to your feeling/urges. Thought and feeling both are there before action. Some people don't act at all because their thinking gets in the way, you aren't thinking because your feeling, what you want, is being given the go-ahead.

If you wanted it to be some other way, the urges would still be there, maybe just as strong, but what you wanted would be different. You'd be able to put a spacer in there, "doing what. . . I wanted. . . to do." You have to think, "I want to kick some butt" before you can do that and you can red flag the word "want" so you can wrestle it to the ground long enough to check what it is you really want instead of what it is you impulsively feel you want. If you think butt kicking is in your best interest, that's great. But it is not the devil that makes you butt kick forever, impulses and addictions can be difficult problems but no one is holding a gun to the alcoholic's head making them walk past the liquor store!

[wisedude]

Well getting banned on forums is one thing, persistent breaking of the law and getting arrested is another.

All I can suggest to the OP, is that if they don't like prison, then not to persistently break the law, especially "serious" laws.

[RogueWolf]

I find it odd that someone would say they don't base anything on moral judgement, moral judgement doesn't mean societies rules and morals, we also have our own and to me it seems unlikely that anyone has no moral code cos we all have our own thoughts and beliefs which we base our own rules off. And this comes from our level of intellect also- I think it's more based on logic and results than empathy or feelings as to wether you follow rules or not. I don't see any connection between people's feelings and rules being followed unless u talk about specific things like bullying or murder. For instance I regularly street drink- I have done for as long as I can remember, just cos I enjoy having a drink while I'm out walking. It was only recently I decided that I see no reason not to cos the law about street drinking is retarded- I am harming noone so I ignore it but that's not why I started, I just did it cos I felt like it. I'm like that with many things, I just do them and years later become aware that other people think they are really really bad and I don't understand why cos to me it seems stupid. I have been banned from quite a few forums/chats for things like swearing or abusing people (though I don't tend to do it to people who didn't attack me first, it's just i get all the blame cos as soon as some one has a go I tend to rip into them with all I can think of) I don't know if I care about thier rules or not I don't really think about it much. I think it's more a lack of thinking about it yeh. But I find myself in a lot of conflicts with people who have stupid wrong ideas about stuff anyway then they won't listen to even scientific facts that prove them wrong so yippee for thier retardation idk whatever... (I'm not diagnosed with aspd either lol)