[CharactorAssassin]

Who is in control?

[CharactorAssassin]

It seems to not make so much sense to want to kill yourself if there are processes beyond comprehension outside of ourselves. The truth being stranger then fiction.

I think killing one's self would take a lot of control. The only thing any of us is in control of is our actions. Maybe control isn't the problem?
Can you be more specific about this control thing.

[SoTiredOfAvoidance]

Originally Posted by CharactorAssassin

Who is in control?

I'm not in control. But I've been told that part of the problem is that I feel like I always need to be in control. Trying to control everything is hard... and produces its own troubles, but if I don't try to control things my anxiety becomes too much to handle. Hmmph...

[CharactorAssassin]

There's no way to know for sure that killing yourself would result in your death. That is outside of what we know and can prove so we cannot comprehend what the result would be past the point of no return in any sense of the imagination. It is outside of what we know. In other words we are deluding ourselves to think it is even possible to do.

[CharactorAssassin]

What does suicide actually mean then. It may be too complex to grasp or understand what it means. How can you say I kill myself and I will disappear? Or I will reincarnate into something else. These are just assumptions.

[CharactorAssassin]

How do we know there's such a thing as death past the point of no return. There's no evidence that death is a real thing.

[CharactorAssassin]

Except death is real for the living only when it happens to other people.

[CharactorAssassin]

What kind of guess are you going to make at your suicide? I will become nothing? It is right here that logic and reason collapses because you have absolutely no proof or evidence that you are going to become a no thing whatever that is which is impossible to know.

[CharactorAssassin]

Do we have control over our actions? There are processes happening within us. Complex processes that no scientist or doctor can understand entirely. How can we know if we are in control then? We make an assumption without factual evidence that we are making the choices we make.

[Kate King]

Originally Posted by CharactorAssassin

There's no way to know for sure that killing yourself would result in your death. That is outside of what we know and can prove so we cannot comprehend what the result would be past the point of no return in any sense of the imagination. It is outside of what we know. In other words we are deluding ourselves to think it is even possible to do.

Being one who has attempted a gruesome suicide, I know now that I am not in control. If I was, I would be dead.

[thunderbear]

Well, My dear chilhood friend killed herself not long ago due to severe chronic pain & her Ptsd Im sure, had something to do with it. Without going into triggers, she knew exactly what she was doing & was in control of herself. The issue of self control with suicide, is dependant on the individual. That said, I sure this discussion on the subject of suicide, is a trigger for many.