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I once taking my doggies out at night, I forgot the face mask, I was all the time covering my mouth with the long neck of my wool jumper. I felt so out of place and ashamed.
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@Discombobulated - Yeah, they did AstraZeneca trials here too. I know someone who participated. With hindsight, I sort of feel like I should have looked into participating. It would have been a way to get a vaccine, but they were done at a hospital in the north of Santiago, when I live 40 km to the south of the city. I would have had to put myself at risk of COVID on the train and Metro just to get there and back. The AstraZeneca vaccine was approved here today. However, there are production problems and the EU is trying to restrict exports of the vaccine until their orders are fulfilled. I heard a statement from a government official here that made it sound like we are getting doses in a few months, but no one seems to be paying attention to the battle to get vaccines that is going on in the world. As a small, middle-income country with no clout, we are way down the priority list.


The propaganda campaign to get people to get the Sinovac vaccine continues. They have doctors on all the morning news shows trying to shame anyone that questions it. One guy did a short comparison of Sinovac with AstraZeneca and basically glossed over the difference in efficacy. I am sure most of the doctors speaking have already had their Pfizer vaccines. No one has even asked or answered if what we are getting will be useful on new strains. Supposedly, the municipalities are setting up vaccination centers next month. I wonder how many people will actually go. My husband and I are sort of wondering if it's going to be a sort of a elite vs. lower income segments of society issue. People over 60 automatically are supposed to get the Pfizer vaccine, which includes a lot of our high-level political leaders, business leaders, etc. I am sure if you have money you can find other ways to get the more effective vaccines, possibly in the private system. Others will be stuck with the less effective option. Who knows if we will be headed towards new social unrest due to it? Sadly, lower-income households often live in crowded conditions and have more preexisting health conditions, so they probably have more of a need for a vaccine that gives better results.


Oh, yeah and don't get me started on the people that want to travel here. Again on the forum for expats, after that guy wanted to figure out how to avoid quarantine to go fly fishing with 8 or his nearest and dearest friends, there have been more inquiries from people that want to come here now. One guy wanted to go to a region that is under strict lockdown with limited hospital capacity. Again, he was told by the site administrator it was a bad idea. People can't see beyond their own nose and what they want to do. I don't even think he had been vaccinated yet, and it's not clear yet if vaccination means you can't transmit the virus. The last thing we need is more imported cases. Covidiots and their parties are doing a good enough job spreading it around as it is.

@AzulOscuro. I did the same thing the other day. I went to take one of the dogs out for a walk early in the AM and I completely forgot the mask. It's silly, there was hardly anyone out, just a few people in their cars heading out for work. I could have been fined regardless, since our municipality requires them in all public spaces. Fortunately we are in a small gated community outside of town so the police and municipal security don't come around much.
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However, there are production problems and the EU is trying to restrict exports of the vaccine until their orders are fulfilled.
What the f***? I haven't checked the news in a few days, so this is the first time I hear of it. At any rate, if we are doing that it is entirely unaccaptable
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Rechu, it sucks they're going for the less effective vaccine!

To be honest, I didn't think about other counties either The EU isn't getting the doses they reserved though due to shortage.

We now have to wear "medical" face masks on public transport and in stores. Either surgical face mask or KN95 are acceptable. Not sure how I feel about that. The fabric of surgical masks might be better suited for the job but at least the ones we got at work, the fit was terrible - in that regard, my cloth ones fit way better. And they're washable. The surgical masks also smelled horrible. I wore a KN95 one for the first time this morning for grocery shopping and it was definitely more uncomfortable. And such a waste to wear an expensive mask for 10 minutes in the store and it should theoretically be thrown out after one use.
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Yes @rechu there seems to be quite a bit of controversy over the Oxford/AstraZeneca. I feel that it may be also to do with the tussle of Britain leaving the EU too, EU are saying they will limit supplies of Pfizer to Britain. It really is awful timing.

I have heard Pfizer works better in older age groups, but much of the trouble is that the trials were limited within older age groups.

I understand about your concerns re volunteering for vaccine trials. I was on the registry to volunteer myself but by the time I got called up (for the Jansen vaccine trial) others were already being given emergency use here. I didn't like the thought of getting a placebo and forgoing my own vaccine chance. I feel guilty saying that but at the end of the day we have to look after ourselves.

My friend is slowly recovering from covid, but she has been very sick. This virus isn't something to underestimate.
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@BreakForTheLight, basically it's, as the saying goes here, "es lo que hay" it's what there is. We don't have facilities to manufacture our own and we aren't exactly a world power so I guess they settled with what they could get. Another good saying is "peor es nada", meaning it's better than nothing, which is exactly the reaction of my sister who is a biologist in the US and knows about those things. There's actually a town named that! And, of course "pasar gato por liebre" trying to pass off a cat for a hare, basically promising one thing but giving us another. That's your Chilean Spanish lesson for the day.

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My suspicious side thinks there may be more to the situation. It is kind of convenient for our unpopular government. People will still be getting infected, but it sounds like hospitalizations and deaths will be lower. Even so, they may try and use the infection rates to declare quarantines if the protests pick up again.
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My friend is slowly recovering from covid, but she has been very sick. This virus isn't something to underestimate.
The person I listen to the most on Youtube for my Covid information is Dr. Campbell because he makes the information so easy to understand. In his latest video (Update - YouTube), he was saying that the new UK variant is not only more contagious but also is causing more symptoms (making people more sick). Yes, the virus is quite serious--it has overwhelmed many hospitals and IMO we are still learning about the long term affects and there could be further mutations (hopefully making it less virulent but it could also become even more dangerous--because the UK variant is more transmissible, it will likely eventually replace the older variant ). I hope your friend recovers completely.
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The person I listen to the most on Youtube for my Covid information is Dr. Campbell because he makes the information so easy to understand. In his latest video (Update - YouTube), he was saying that the new UK variant is not only more contagious but also is causing more symptoms (making people more sick). Yes, the virus is quite serious--it has overwhelmed many hospitals and IMO we are still learning about the long term affects and there could be further mutations (hopefully making it less virulent but it could also become even more dangerous--because the UK variant is more transmissible, it will likely eventually replace the older variant ). I hope your friend recovers completely.
Yes they are learning more about the UK Kent variant. It is far more transmissible which one of the reasons why infection rates are taking longer to drop here despite lockdown. It seems to invade cells quicker too and it is sadly slightly more likely to be fatal. In the UK I believe it is replacing the other version which is how viruses evolve I guess.

For other countries I absolutely think border controls are essential to try to limit the variant spreading further.

I've just been reading professor Jonathan Van-Tam saying we should start to see the effects of vaccination over next few weeks. We now have 10% vaccinated at least once. They know the vaccine protects against getting seriously sick but it's suspected it will also make it less transmissible although that is yet unknown. If that's the case we may see a significant drop in infection and hospitalization. I hope so.

It's been scary knowing the NHS has been on the brink of being overwhelmed this month.

Thanks for your well wishes for my friend, she has been quite sick but her husband much less so.
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When having panic attacks (mine returned), is it normal that crying helps? Also, when do you go to the hospital? Today, I constantly feel pressure in my chest.

On the other hand, my symptoms could possibly be explained with hyperthyroidism. Wish me luck

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Many of my panic attacks have been in work situations, so I couldn't really cry. I went through a period where I had two really awful bosses in a row. They were the cause of a lot of anxiety and panic attacks. It wasn't just me, both places had very high turnover because of them. I can understand how a release like crying could help, though.

Once I was in a meeting with the first awful boss, some co-workers and a representatives of a client company. I had agreed to take on a very limited role in the project, since I was busy with other things. My boss introduced me as the lead on the project. He liked to manipulate people like that. Agree to one thing and then gaslight or put us on the spot to accept more work. I started to have a panic attack. I had forgotten to turn off my phone and my husband called me right then. I said I need to take this call and left the meeting room. Fortunately, my husband realized I was not in a good place mentally and managed to help calm me down. I quit that job soon after. That was the 3rd panic attack I had due to dealing with that manager.

When going through all this, I had been pretty stubborn about not going to the hospital, but at my more recent job, my husband saw me one morning and convinced me to to go to the ER. I had been having panic attacks in that work situation too, wasn't eating and wasn't sleeping at all. The psych doctor that saw me told me I was lucky I went when I did or I would have likely continued to get worse.
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Thanks for this. I once had a terrible boss too, I completely get where you are coming from. For me, my boss talked bad about me behond my back, even though I was running the project for her. I also quit.

I have 3 doctors appointments in the next 2 weeks, and I already know which ER to go to just in case today gets any worse.

What did they do at the ER? Totally understand if you don't feel comfortable in sharing though.
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I went to the best private clinic here that always has psychiatrists on duty. He took a while to talk to me about what was going on in my life and why I was stressed. He asked if I was eating well, sleeping, etc. I remember my blood pressure was through the roof when usually mine is on the low side. He gave me leave from work and gave me a prescription for sleeping medication. He said I had adjustment order with anxiety due to my work situation and having a break and getting my sleep back on track would do me well.


I went back to him a few times at his office to follow up. It was clear that my boss was trying to get me to quit. It happened a lot there. The company didn't want to pay me severance because it was almost 5 months pay, so my boss was making my life hell. He said I should find a way to approach the company and try to negotiate an exit, but. based on my experience, I didn't think that would happen. I ended up with more leave from the Workers' Compensation Hospital. There was an investigation, but in the end they said my problems were not work related and sent me back to work. At first they sort of went easy on me but the harassment started again. Then, we had the 2019 social uprising here so no one could go into the office. That gave me a few more weeks. In the end, when we had to go back to the office in November, they presented me with termination papers along with another co-worker. At least I got my full severance pay and I was paid for the 2+ months of psych leave. I had to appeal, but I won (an advantage of being married to a lawyer).


That ended up being a novel, sorry. Now that I read it, I realize my life has really not been normal since August of 2019, when the work problems started. Then there were the protests that began on October 18th, which had us under curfew, the military guarding supermarkets and limiting the number of people going in (to prevent looting). I even ran into a few protests, mainly when I was going to the psychiatrist and Worker's Compensation hospital. January and February of 2020 were the most normal. We were able to take a short trip, go out to eat for my birthday, etc. Then Covid arrived here in March 2020 and things got all crazy again-
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When having panic attacks (mine returned), is it normal that crying helps? Also, when do you go to the hospital? Today, I constantly feel pressure in my chest.

On the other hand, my symptoms could possibly be explained with hyperthyroidism. Wish me luck
Are you medicating yourself for Hyperthyroidism? If so, it will probably the panic attack.
Phone emergency if you feel very anxious. They can give you a shot of valium or something to help you relax

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Phone emergency if you feel very anxious. They can give you a shot of valium or something to help you relax
I don't think they do that in Germany. It's evening again, and again I feel much better...

I am not medicated for hyperthyroidism, but I have an appointment for that two weeks from now. That would be such a relief though, if that were it. I'm ok with these usually tiny hallucinations, but panic attacks are not for anyone.
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I don't think they do that in Germany. It's evening again, and again I feel much better...

I am not medicated for hyperthyroidism, but I have an appointment for that two weeks from now. That would be such a relief though, if that were it. I'm ok with these usually tiny hallucinations, but panic attacks are not for anyone.
I’m glad you are feeling better. It’s important also to control hyperthyroidism, I know it on first hand.

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I went to the best private clinic here that always has psychiatrists on duty. He took a while to talk to me about what was going on in my life and why I was stressed. He asked if I was eating well, sleeping, etc. I remember my blood pressure was through the roof when usually mine is on the low side. He gave me leave from work and gave me a prescription for sleeping medication. He said I had adjustment order with anxiety due to my work situation and having a break and getting my sleep back on track would do me well.


I went back to him a few times at his office to follow up. It was clear that my boss was trying to get me to quit. It happened a lot there. The company didn't want to pay me severance because it was almost 5 months pay, so my boss was making my life hell. He said I should find a way to approach the company and try to negotiate an exit, but. based on my experience, I didn't think that would happen. I ended up with more leave from the Workers' Compensation Hospital. There was an investigation, but in the end they said my problems were not work related and sent me back to work. At first they sort of went easy on me but the harassment started again. Then, we had the 2019 social uprising here so no one could go into the office. That gave me a few more weeks. In the end, when we had to go back to the office in November, they presented me with termination papers along with another co-worker. At least I got my full severance pay and I was paid for the 2+ months of psych leave. I had to appeal, but I won (an advantage of being married to a lawyer).


That ended up being a novel, sorry. Now that I read it, I realize my life has really not been normal since August of 2019, when the work problems started. Then there were the protests that began on October 18th, which had us under curfew, the military guarding supermarkets and limiting the number of people going in (to prevent looting). I even ran into a few protests, mainly when I was going to the psychiatrist and Worker's Compensation hospital. January and February of 2020 were the most normal. We were able to take a short trip, go out to eat for my birthday, etc. Then Covid arrived here in March 2020 and things got all crazy again-
It's a good novel, tension and relief in all the right places. Wouldn't want to live it though. I hope you have a better job now and are not further suffering from the crisis. I'm glad you have a husband that takes care of you.

I never did that, stick with a job for the severance cheque. But than I always worked a lot and never really cared about the money that much, so fat chance of getting fired. So I always ended up resigning. I think when I'm done with my studies I will aim to work a 6 hour day. Not much of a career path, but with my past, I do not think I will ever have children to support, so maybe I don't care.

It's aweful to think you already spent so much longer in an exceptionally bad situation in your country. And corona isn't helping the economy either... and that never bodes well for politics, or people
It's amazing how small the world is and yet there are so many different ways to live, so many situations to overcome, so much chaos for no lasting purpose...
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I’m glad you are feeling better. It’s important also to control hyperthyroidism, I know it on first hand.
Yes, agreed, and I will do everything I can to find out that this issue of mine is not caused by my past troubles. I really, really, do not want to face those issues more than I already have. Hyperthyroidism for the win
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In Brazil, there’s a mutation of the virus that it’s being super dangerous.
Things are not going well in the UK, either.
I’m sorry a lot for what it’s happening in both countries. For me, there aren’t frontiers.
I’m pretty worried because here in my country it’s all about politics, I guess in other countries happens more or less the same.
I’m gonna put two examples: On one side, the Health ministry quit his charge to be the President of one of the Communities in the North. I don’t know if these are good news or not because of what we have been in the past but this single act says a lot about him.

Then, the own Government’s President’s party who is supposed to lead our country, pushed to help the elections in that Community. They have the possibility to postpone the elections but you know, a politician has his own agenda and the population is at the bottom of the pyramid.
I’m so fed up with them. To be honest.

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Yes, agreed, and I will do everything I can to find out that this issue of mine is not caused by my past troubles. I really, really, do not want to face those issues more than I already have. Hyperthyroidism for the win
My doctor told me that only 20% of people get to cured from hyperthyroidism. I thought no, I’m not that lucky but I got it.
When I was hospitalised for this, I researched on the net and even when the cause of hyperthyroidism are not very clear, anxiety and stress seem to play a role.

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