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Default Mar 16, 2021 at 04:36 PM
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I am living a different reality from most. I have said before that our country bought us the least effective vaccine. I am still debating if I even should get it or wait for supposed arrivals of better options since I am low priority. My husband got the Chinese vaccine and is still following the same precautions. If I decide to get it (I may qualify next month), I don't anticipate my behavior changing much. If I manage to get a better vaccine in a few months, I´ll probably feel safer.
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Default Mar 16, 2021 at 05:30 PM
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I get my first dose tomorrow and mum her 2nd Thursday but we’re not changing much except that we’ll be able to see my daughter and her kids. Other than that still plan to follow the same precautions until most people are vaccinated.

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Default Mar 17, 2021 at 11:57 AM
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Being vaccinated didn’t change my life. I think I might be safer but other than that nothing about my life changed. I have to use the same precautions at work as before vaccination. And I do same things as before. I admit I didn’t particularly isolate as long as it’s within state guidelines. My husband says he might feel safer to go to gym now as he hasn’t gone since they opened up. He didn’t feel safe there, he thinks it safer because we are vaccinated. But I don’t go because I am lazy. I’ll admit I use covid threat as a bit of an excuse
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Got the Pfizer shot. No side effects

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Got the Pfizer shot. No side effects
I hope you won’t have any but it kicks in next day sometimes. First dose kicked in two days later for me, second hit me in the evening of the day of the vaccine, about 8-9 hours later
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Default Mar 17, 2021 at 04:26 PM
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Someone at my grandmother's nursing home tested positive even though they were vaccinated two months ago. I am hoping it is a false positive test result.


My husband is at a breaking point and wants to go on a road trip right now but I have no idea where we could go that would be safe and fun. I don't really like wearing a mask for too long and I don't want to eat inside a restaurant. Most things are closed or restricted. It's too early to camp around here. What's the point? Anywhere we go will have higher case counts, too. Ugh, so tired of this.

@rechu if you get the lesser vaccine now, will you still be able to get a 'good' one later? I am going to hold out for the one I want.
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@hvert - That is exactly what I want to know and have not been able to find an answer. I could understand why they could prefer to vaccinate people that haven't been vaccinated at all over those that supposedly have some protection once we start to get more vaccines, so it seems possible. We are a relatively small country with a centralized government. They take down your information when you go for a vaccine and enter it into a database, so they would know if I had been vaccinated previously.

Another expat I know here who is pretty skeptical of the vaccine being given here told me he actually did get his yesterday. However he and his wife live on a plot of land with several houses where extended family lives. His mother in law who lives next door is elderly, diabetic and on dialysis. She was able to get her first dose of Pfizer at her dialysis center, but they want everyone to at least have some protection as soon as possible, because she is such high risk and there is still some risk even once she is fully vaccinated. However, in my case I don't have close contact with any at-risk people. I work from home and order many things online. I've been taking precautions all this time and would still have to do so even if I got the vaccine, precisely because it's not very effective. If it comes down to waiting a few months more to get a "real" vaccine, I just might.

I want to be able to take a trip to Portugal that I had to cancel, in the mid-term. I was reading today that the EU is preparing a vaccine passport system and they will NOT accept the vaccine being used here as a valid vaccine. So, I need a better option for that too.
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@hvert - That is exactly what I want to know and have not been able to find an answer. I could understand why they could prefer to vaccinate people that haven't been vaccinated at all over those that supposedly have some protection once we start to get more vaccines, so it seems possible. We are a relatively small country with a centralized government. They take down your information when you go for a vaccine and enter it into a database, so they would know if I had been vaccinated previously.

Another expat I know here who is pretty skeptical of the vaccine being given here told me he actually did get his yesterday. However he and his wife live on a plot of land with several houses where extended family lives. His mother in law who lives next door is elderly, diabetic and on dialysis. She was able to get her first dose of Pfizer at her dialysis center, but they want everyone to at least have some protection as soon as possible, because she is such high risk and there is still some risk even once she is fully vaccinated. However, in my case I don't have close contact with any at-risk people. I work from home and order many things online. I've been taking precautions all this time and would still have to do so even if I got the vaccine, precisely because it's not very effective. If it comes down to waiting a few months more to get a "real" vaccine, I just might.

I want to be able to take a trip to Portugal that I had to cancel, in the mid-term. I was reading today that the EU is preparing a vaccine passport system and they will NOT accept the vaccine being used here as a valid vaccine. So, I need a better option for that too.
I hope they accept what we got here as I hope I am traveling to Europe in August. We are screwed otherwise.
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@divine1966 - From what I read it's the Chinese and Russian vaccines that are likely to be an issue. Those are mainly approved for emergency use in developing countries like ours because that was all we could get our hands on. The vaccines being used in the US are acceptable as far as I have read. Our government has orders in for others like Pfizer and AstraZeneca. Supposedly they are in negotiations with J&J too, but last I heard they are stalled. To date, the only other vaccine that has arrived here is Pfizer and that was just a few crumbs they threw us - fewer than 500,000 doses.
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Default Mar 17, 2021 at 07:13 PM
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I am very curious about the logistics of these vaccine passports. I recently sent my regular passport out for renewal and wonder if I should have waited. The EU vaccine passport seems to only be available to EU countries and a couple of other closely affiliated countries, like Norway. I just read that China will for now only allow foreign visitors who have received a Chinese made vaccine. I wonder if that is a response to the EU or incentive for other countries to approve their vaccines?

@rechu I could see waiting in your shoes, especially if the EU is not accepting the vaccine that's currently on offer where you are. You aren't putting anyone else at risk and can easily minimize your own risk of exposure.

@divine1966 I hope things get better in Europe (and everywhere) before your trip and that you got refundable reservations in case they don't!
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I forgot to add, I'm still trying to figure out if there is a way to go somewhere before we get vaccinated. I thought maybe we could go to VA because it is warm enough to camp and there are a few places we've wanted to visit, but then he started talking about visiting some friends along the way. The friend and his partner both have sort of high risk jobs but don't qualify for vaccines yet. Staying at their house and spending a day with them seems too risky. I can't tell if I am being irrational or cautious.
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We are going to see family, not really a vacation. We didn’t buy tickets yet, we will wait to the last minute, but they do refund money in case of a new lockdown. I’d not go if it was just a vacation, I’d probably wait another year. We haven’t even been traveling at all and weren’t visited by family since this nonsense started. It’s terrible. And not common for us. Out of our 3 combined adult kids two live far away, especially mine. It’s been very terrible not to see kids due to pandemics but travel to some places either isn’t allowed at all or in some places very much not recommended. We don’t know how much longer we can take it. I am on edge about this.
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@hvert - I don't think the vaccine passport will be related to the passport your country issues. I have had to get vaccines to travel like yellow fever to go to Bolivia in the past and it's a document that was designed by the WHO that shows what vaccines you have received. I'm guessing it will be something like that or they will ask to see your vaccine card.

I am kind of surprised. For some reason, I thought my husband was going to say I should get the vaccine I don't really want. He got his because he's a government employee and works with the public. They are doing telework but will have to go back to the office eventually. If he has to go back before better options are available, well, it's understandable he wants anything that may help from getting very sick, so he went when he qualified to get it. But he understood that I am lower risk than most since I always work from home (I do freelance writing) and that we may not be so far off from getting more Pfizer vaccines or other options.
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Yes rechu is right, it’s not like a real passport. It’s a document showing you got a vaccine.
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I am more concerned the protocols and restriction created for covid will be applied to other viruses .ppl will end on constant fight or flight mode indefinitely.

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I am more concerned the protocols and restriction created for covid will be applied to other viruses .ppl will end on constant fight or flight mode indefinitely.
I don't think governments would seek to do that for every variety of influenza floating around every winter. Annually, we do see loss of lives in the thousands just from garden variety flu. However, we don't see the healthcare system being overburdened to the breaking point, like has happened with COVID-19. I understand your concern. But I don't see that happening. I base that on how hard it's been to get compliance with - and broad political support for - COVID restrictions, which I think were warranted.

Where I think your fear may be more substantiated is in how long we're going to be dealing with COVID restrictions. My original post in this thread is partly about that. The vaccines may not prove all that long-lasting. Some experts say protection may start to wear off in 5 months. Meanwhile, new COVID variants are spreading that may require new vaccine formulations. This may get to where we're chasing our tail trying to suppress this pandemic. How long can we make huge economic sacrifices? Death in an ICU isn't the only way that lives can be ruined.

I can partially confirm your fear in very personal terms. I intend to mask up in public during the winter season for the rest of my life - even if COVID were eradicated. I've had pneumonia as an adult. I now fear getting even garden variety flu. Now that I see how effective precautions are in reducing germ spread, I see no reason to not self-protect against all respiratory illness, when I reasonably can. I'll never be comfortable getting into a crowded elevator again. I'm done shaking hands forever. Why risk picking up anything? That is my personal choice. I agree that this level of fastidiousness should not be government mandated, except during a pandemic like COVID-19. However, I do think social norms regarding infection-avoidance have ratcheded up, and a lot of that will be permanent. That could be a good thing.
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I know someone working in one of our nation's pre-eminent hospitals. (USA) She told me they're talking about re-vaccinating staff in 6 months. Apparently they're concerned about the vaccine protection wearing off. I couldn't find an article confirming that. It may just be workplace chatter at this hospital. We'll see.
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Recently the health undersecretary was asked how long the vaccine being given here, Sinovac, will work. She said we can't be fully sure yet, but similar vaccines tend to be effective for only 6 months. They really got us a great vaccine, didn't they? 50% effective and it probably only lasts 6 months. There will still be community transmission and it will be used as a excuse for lockdowns.


I do worry about how these variants are going to affect the attempts to control the virus as well. Here, they say they have only found something like 28 cases of the Brazilian variant, but I have no clue how much they are looking for it. I have a feeling it is here and making the rounds. We have many daily flights between the two countries and they only recently instituted stricter quarantine requirements on arrivals from Brazil. From what I was reading about Brazil, doctors were saying that they used to see maybe 2 members of a family getting COVID, but with the Brazilian variant it's normally the whole family. It's that much more transmissible. We've had various mass contagion events lately - nearly a whole soccer team got it, and a whole theater group. The theater group was allowed to practice, because they were in an area in phase 3, which is less strict. In the theater group, one actor died and the hairdresser is intubated in the ICU. The man that died had received his first vaccine dose several weeks before. He was in his 80s, so high risk . The government also just closed down an entire market indefinitely due to an outbreak. These cases make me wonder if the Brazilian variant was involved.
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My stupid house is the middle of busy intersection of soccer moms, horse trainers, nesting ducks, tree of blackbirds, landscape/nusery hubb, other wildlife and I think there is a business behind the neighboring residence. Living here has made me hate myself and explore dark corners of how people live. Stupid coronavirus has made it really easy to be afraid of everything different. I want to spit at the ceiling for this - LITERALLY. Stupid neighbors don't care about anything but covering their stupid faces. I hate you COVID-19, you really make the Spanish flu look like a healthy cough. Please go away and never come back.
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I am angry about this, yes. The anxiety creeps into a full panic swoop. The energy I feel is stale and fierce. I feel traumatized to even think about it….
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