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Old 07-22-2021, 07:03 AM   #341
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I'm noticing that some retail workers are wearing masks again in my area. I really enjoy mask free life but it seems like it is time to go back to it.


I read that while case counts are as high or higher than they have ever been in some areas, deaths are way down due to vaccinations. In the UK, deaths are 10% of what they were during the last 50k peak. I've also read that we are all going to get Delta because it is so contagious.

@Discombobulated is there any way your son can get his appointment moved up? One shot is better than none. It does seem crazy that restrictions are being lifted in so many places just as cases ramp up again.
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Old 07-22-2021, 07:27 AM   #342
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Here we have been under 1,000 new cases the last few days, but the mid-week numbers are always lower because they are reporting tests done over the weekend. We will see what they announce today. Positivity is below 3% and active cases are under 15,000 for the first time in a while.

When I lived in the US, I was sort of a honorary member of the Brazilian community in my city. I had lots of friends from Brazil. I traveled solo several times to Brazil and they put me in touch with friends and family there who took me in and showed me around. I am still in touch with many of them thanks to technology. I found out yesterday that one of the friends I made during my travels passed away. She's about my age. The mutual friend that told me didn't say what the cause was and I didn't want to be one of those "WAS IT COVID?" people. However, it seems likely. Very sad. She left behind a husband and a daughter who must be 11 or 12 by now.
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@rechu that must have been shocking news for you to hear. I'm so sorry this woman died so young whatever the cause.
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@hvert it's really weird but once they discovered immunity seems to be boosted by leaving a longer gap (original trials were 3 weeks) they insisted everyone must wait for the longer gap. Added to that most key workers did not get priority for the vaccine it means many young key workers have been at risk for a long time now. Yes I agree one dose is better than none (although with Delta one dose is only 33% effective)

Yes you're right the death rate is now much lower than the January peak and the link to deaths and hospitalisations has been weakened. Not severed as our prime minister tried to claim however.

Unfortunately 50% of those in hospital have been vaccinated, it just doesn't seem to work as well on some people.

I think if we hadn't had the vaccine programme we would be looking at a horrendously high death toll similar to India.
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@Discombobulated - Thanks. Yes, it is terrible news. I am still kind of shocked about it. I saw a message from M, the mutual friend and was happy to that she had gotten in touch. We had a conversation a little while back because her fiancé had completed his thesis and was thinking about coming here to teach at a university when the pandemic is over. She wanted to see what I thought. Anyways, I expected it was something to do with that. I never anticipated what the message actually contained.

I read that here about 1200 children have lost both parents to Covid, which is just heartbreaking.
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Having my groceries delivered today and scheduled a delivery for Monday. Decided it is not a great time to go out shopping. Noticed they were completely out of every kind of fresh broccoli (one of my favorites which I cook nearly every day, I am not a fan of frozen broccoli)--highly unusual. When I was getting my groceries delivered during the previous Winter--the slots would fill up so you would have to plan ahead. Now all the slots are available. Apparently, people are not getting things delivered during this Covid resurgence--maybe because of the vaccinations?
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@rechu that's awful about your friend and so sad that her daughter has lost her mother.


I think people are dying because of Covid even if they don't have it. Cancer diagnoses are delayed, clinical trials stopped. More drug overdoses due to isolation. This pandemic is awful in so many ways.
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So true, @hvert. Here the backlog of surgeries, for example, is very long. There haven't been enough staff or post-surgical beds. I haven't seen statistics, but I am sure some of those who have had their surgeries postponed have died waiting. Just now that ICU admissions have been on the decline they are starting to address this.

Some municipalities here have done mobile cancer screenings and things like that since a lot of people don't want to go to a hospital right. I'm sure that doesn't come close to the numbers done when people can freely go to a hospital or clinic without worrying about Covid.

We are one of the countries that are seeing very good numbers lately. Maybe Sinocrap is helping somewhat, plus it is also a lower % of vaccines these days than at the start. We have more Pfizer and AstraZeneca these days too. Although Pfizer has cut its deliveries this past week. We haven't really seen community transmission of Delta. They have made it a bit easier for vaccinated people to leave, but have clamped down on people coming in. Quarantine hotel for all non-residents. Legal residents and citizens that live within five hours of the airport can go home to isolate. Everyone in the household has to quarantine regardless of vaccination status or if they traveled. From what I have read they are actually being more rigorous about checking in on people.

If you live more than five hours away, you have to do your quarantine in a hotel in the capital. I guess because five hours is a trip you can do without really stopping. So, now, on the forum for expats we have whining from foreign residents that went back to their home countries when things were bad here but before there were border restrictions. Now that things are good here, they want to come back and are whining about how the restrictions are not fair, etc. We went through all the sacrifices here that I have told you about and we now finally have things under control again. So, now, those that bailed now think they can just waltz in and potentially spread new variants without having to quarantine? I guess like @AzulOscuro has said, the pandemic has highlighted human selfishness.
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Just an addition, I had some sympathy for the people who were stuck abroad back, say in March 2020. I even had a friend had to quickly cut a trip in Europe short to get back to the US, but he didn't complain. He was glad to return before things got bad soon after.

Knowing that we are still in a pandemic where things are constantly changing, choosing to travel, unless it is very essential, and then complaining when they get caught on the wrong side of the rules or wanting special treatment irritates me. Sorry, but the world's smallest violin is playing for you.
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I'm fully vaccinated. All the same, I wear a mask when I go out in public, like to the grocery store. I feel very glad of the protection I have from my two Moderna shots. But I like to add another layer of protection over what the shots give me. I would prefer to not get even a "mild" case of COVID. Also, I go out to eat, but I won't go into a restaurant that looks crowded.

I fully support hositals mandating that all their employees get vaccinated. I recently had to be hositalized for a sudden, unexpected health issue. I received care and went through procedures that caused doctors and nursing staff to be close to me in a hands on way. I would hate to think that one of these staff members might be carrying and exposing me to COVID, especially during a time when my health status was compromised. I feel it is my right to expect hospital staff to be vaccinated.
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I really don't understand the fuss around staff refusing vaccination. I already shared here that when I volunteered in a hospital my immunisation record was checked and they screened my blood for antibodies to check if I needed my hepatitis redone (I didn't but would have if I'd had to). It's not new having to be vaccinated to work or volunteer in hospitals.

Vaccination is proven to cut transmission by half for delta I believe.
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I really don't understand the fuss around staff refusing vaccination. I already shared here that when I volunteered in a hospital my immunisation record was checked and they screened my blood for antibodies to check if I needed my hepatitis redone (I didn't but would have if I'd had to). It's not new having to be vaccinated to work or volunteer in hospitals.

Vaccination is proven to cut transmission by half for delta I believe.
I think that vaccinations are very good (I have been had both COVID shots, take the flu shot every year and so many others) but at the end of the video below, some of the reasons that some shouldn't be vaccinated are discussed (for instance, if you have a reaction to the first vaccine, I believe the vaccine makers say you shouldn't get the second shot and if you don't--you aren't considered fully vaccinated ). But yes, I agree that too many might be anxious about something that likely (I am not a doctor ) does much more good than harm. It is shame there is so much hype and fear but I wish the discussion was more medical than political. Because COVID is becoming more prevalent again--I am also watching Dr. John Campbell's videos again, having more groceries delivered and wearing a mask in indoor public settings.
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I think that vaccinations are very good (I have been had both COVID shots, take the flu shot every year and so many others) but at the end of the video below, some of the reasons that some shouldn't be vaccinated are discussed (for instance, if you have a reaction to the first vaccine, I believe the vaccine makers say you shouldn't get the second shot and if you don't--you aren't considered fully vaccinated ). But yes, I agree that too many might be anxious about something that likely (I am not a doctor ) does much more good than harm. It is shame there is so much hype and fear but I wish the discussion was more medical than political. Because COVID is becoming more prevalent again--I am also watching Dr. John Campbell's videos again, having more groceries delivered and wearing a mask in indoor public settings.
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Yes I agree, it should be more medical than political in my opinion too.

There are definitely some (very small numbers I believe) who can't be vaccinated, my sister works with one such person - she's had an organ transplant. It does throw up a dilemma in a small minority of cases it's true. Sadly these people are also more vulnerable to covid 19 so it's a horrible situation for them. My sister's colleague cannot return to the office while covid is in circulation, added to this she is aware many in her office chose to refuse their vaccine on non medical grounds. It's such a horrible situation.

I'm glad you got both your vaccines @TunedOut
and that you are able to take the steps you need to to stay safe too. I too continue to wear a mask in my job, I'm not sure how much of difference it makes but for me wearing a mask has never been more than a very minor inconvenience so it's not a big deal. We've all got to do what we feel comfortable with IMO, and be considerate of each other too, some of us are higher risk groups than others.
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They are reintroducing mask recommendations now. It's such a mess. If you live in a county with a certain number of active Covid cases per 100k, the state recommends that you wear a mask indoors. This will change every day (and already did within 12 hours of them making the first announcement)! It seems like the majority of people where I live do not want to go back to this. The attitude is either a) I'm vaccinated, the unvaccinated should go get the shot or b) Covid is a hoax, I'm not wearing a mask.


I've decided I'm not going to eat or drink indoors for now. I did this weekend and it just made me nervous. I made us leave the first restaurant because it was really crowded, there were kids, and I could hear someone coughing. The next place was not very full but staffed by teenagers. Were they vaccinated? I think less than 50% of kids 12-18 have decided to get the shot here.

I alternate between feeling protected by the vaccine and feeling paranoid where someone coughs or there are a bunch of maskless kids running around. My husband is in a band and they are going to start playing in bars now that those restrictions have lifted and I am sure he is going to catch it from that.


It seems a bunch of companies in the US are starting to mandate vaccines. It's going to get interesting.
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I made a last ditch effort to persuade my brother to get vaccinated. It did not work. I brought up the fear of needles but he said it's not that. I am struggling to accept that he believes the things he was saying.
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