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Well lunch was good in the end. I wanted to go buy some plants first. We bought this house a few years ago and it wasn't landscaped at all, so we are still working on that. We planned to then go to a Peruvian restaurant nearby and place an order in person. But, the parking lot was so full we figured it would take a while. I had written down the number of a second option. We had kind of joked about the place before because it doesn't look like anything special from the street. But, the food was very well prepared and tasty. We had ceviche and causas and my husband made a pisco sour to accompany it.
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Well lunch was good in the end. I wanted to go buy some plants first. We bought this house a few years ago and it wasn't landscaped at all, so we are still working on that. We planned to then go to a Peruvian restaurant nearby and place an order in person. But, the parking lot was so full we figured it would take a while. I had written down the number of a second option. We had kind of joked about the place before because it doesn't look like anything special from the street. But, the food was very well prepared and tasty. We had ceviche and causas and my husband made a pisco sour to accompany it.
Happy birthday! Glad you had a nice meal

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Happy birthday! That meal sounds delicious. It's fun to try somewhere new.
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My city is now at 948 cases per 100.000 however in just my neighbourhood it's 1596 I would say that is quite high. More than half confirmed omnicron now.

I had something else I wanted to write but I can't remember now

Woke up with a very sore throat that seems to be "deeper/lower" than what I often feel. Considering doing a self test but I only have 4 left :/ and they might not be accurate - there's apparently a list coming out with tests that are able to detect omnicron and so far this one isn't on it. (It's some unknown brand - a "Christmas gift" from my previous employer ) I really don't feel like going out and getting tested though. I'm sad, grumpy, lonely, don't want to be around any people, and it's pouring rain.
Consider that you have to deal on the phone with lots of clients. Itís normal your weak point now is your throat. It used to happen a lot to me when I was an teacher in active.
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Well lunch was good in the end. I wanted to go buy some plants first. We bought this house a few years ago and it wasn't landscaped at all, so we are still working on that. We planned to then go to a Peruvian restaurant nearby and place an order in person. But, the parking lot was so full we figured it would take a while. I had written down the number of a second option. We had kind of joked about the place before because it doesn't look like anything special from the street. But, the food was very well prepared and tasty. We had ceviche and causas and my husband made a pisco sour to accompany it.
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They said on the national news that in America 1 in 5 people have had covid. On the New York site I use to watch stats for my county is said 1 in 4 residents have had covid. Thatís a lot of people.
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I wonder if they will ever stop restrictions now. It used to be that we would accept 50,000 people dying of flu in a year in the US and not force lockdonws, masks or vaccinations. Now the thinking is that we have to save every life we possibly can so I don;t see the way back to any kind of normality. I had a busy weekend of concerts lined up but 3 of them just got cancelled.

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I wonder who had cared of people who work in the Health System since it all began. Ok, people clapped them and what else? Neither governments had truly care about it in the first place, according to the measures they timely took. I donít want to mention the behaviour of the Health World Organisation.

Now, we are at a different point in the pandemia. It became in development countries pretty much as a flu. This is a fact.
Restrictions now are futile and I would even say they are insulting for people who like me had behaved as responsible citizens. And still we have been responsible citizens up to what common sense says to us. No more. For example, Iím not gonna go to a hospital because I get Covid while I donít have hard symptoms but, what Iím not gonna take in is with stupid restrictions at this point in time.

We have already showed as ďmodern, developedĒ societies how we care about others ( especially how we care of elderly people-Ironic tone here). Thereís a point when one says enough is enough.
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I wonder who had cared of people who work in the Health System since it all began. Ok, people clapped them and what else? Neither governments had truly care about it in the first place, according to the measures they timely took. I donít want to mention the behaviour of the Health World Organisation.

Now, we are at a different point in the pandemia. It became in development countries pretty much as a flu. This is a fact.
Restrictions now are futile and I would even say they are insulting for people who like me had behaved as responsible citizens. And still we have been responsible citizens up to what common sense says to us. No more. For example, Iím not gonna go to a hospital because I get Covid while I donít have hard symptoms but, what Iím not gonna take in is with stupid restrictions at this point in time.

We have already showed as ďmodern, developedĒ societies how we care about others ( especially how we care of elderly people-Ironic tone here). Thereís a point when one says enough is enough.

I suppose I have a different point of you considering my brother is still working in the Covid ICU and taking care of people that are dying.

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Now, we are at a different point in the pandemia. It became in development countries pretty much as a flu. This is a fact.


Restrictions now are futile and I would even say they are insulting for people who like me had behaved as responsible citizens. And still we have been responsible citizens up to what common sense says to us. No more.
@sarahsweets - I have to agree with @AzulOscuro. I think you live in the US, Sarah? The restrictions there were very light compared to those in my country and @AzulOscuro's. In my case with the lockdowns you had to get a permit to just leave your house and could only go out twice a week for two hours. We had military guys with guns checking for permits. I am not even sure how much good those strict controls really did, and a certain percentage of the population ignored them. There is very little support for going back to strict controls I don't think they should.

The main group pushing for increasing restrictions now is the medical college who are saying new lockdowns should be considered. They are essentially a political lobby group and union, not a medical advice organization. Last year, they proposed a draconian plan that was almost as bad as China that was supposedly going to get us to Covid zero. The government decided not to take their advice.


Thanks to Americans coming in and not enough controls on tourist arrivals, Omicron is here and contributing to a spike in cases. If the government increased controls, that should have been the focus. Last year we ended up locked back down after tourists brought in the Manaus variant. I don't people think people are going to want to pay the price for tourists bringing in a new variant again with another lockdown.


Anyways, like AzulOscuro's country, my country have one of the highest vaccination rates in the world. We are also one of the most boosted. What was the point of getting vaccinated and boosted, if they are going to lock us down again? Cases are as high as the peak in 2021, BUT hospitalizations are way down. I don't know if case counts are the number we should be focusing on when most are now asymptomatic or mild. Last year at the peak, we had 4,000 people hospitalized with Covid. Now it is fewer than 500 and most are not vaccinated. Deaths are down from several hundred a day at that time to low single or double digits. Yesterday there were 4 deaths reported.


I guess the US hospital situation may be different because fewer people are vaccinated/boosted. But, here I don't see how they could justify locking us down again.
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They are bringing back various mandates and rules where I live, on a town by town basis, but they leave gaping holes. How can the state promote tourism and dining but then shut down libraries and municipal offices and expect people to take them seriously? We should all stay at home so the rich tourists can eat at our restaurants and expose the staff? All of the towns with the 80-90% vaccination rates get the mandates and the people from the counties with 50% vaccination and no mandates fill our hospitals.


Also, it appears my state can only process so many tests in a day. Every day they tell us there were 1500 positive cases but it turns out there is a 50k backlog of positive results! The case counts are useless here. Hospitalizations are up but seem to be far, far less likely with omicron. I know of a local outbreak, probably omicron, in a retirement home where 96% of the staff/residents had three shots (Moderna). They had about 20 cases. No one died and no one was even hospitalized! This gives me some hope.


On the other hand, a friend who works in a different nursing home caught Covid a month or two ago. We had plans to meet for a walk today but he was just exposed to Covid again. He's getting a test today. Hopefully you can't catch Covid a second time that quickly?? He has some symptoms he attributes to food poisoning, but I really wonder. I've read that the omicron onset often includes more GI symptoms than sore throat/cold type stuff.
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@hvert thatís promising news about the nursing home.

About your friend, I too wonder about whether I might catch covid again so quickly after last month. It might depend upon the variant. I do know a lot of people who have more recently got covid for the 2nd time but almost all seem to be less unwell. They had covid way back over 6 months ago though.

It feels like with omicron a lot of things we had learned about covid are no longer applicable!

I can see the transition from pandemic to endemic is going to be a tricky one, and I agree it will vary from country to country how this will happen. We all have different experiences, vaccination rates, healthcare systems, all of those factors will influence how we proceed.

I do have a tendency to anxiety anyhow and I have felt myself getting more anxious each time there is a relaxing of rules- itís not always been a bad thing, but I feel like my whole system is primed to shout ďdanger!Ē Even when there isnít necessarily any danger.

In England if you factor in the political instability (I know we arenít to discuss politics on here) itís a very unpleasant uncertain time for us all. I canít remember a worse time politically. Itís hard to know what will happen next.
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Does it have to be all or nothing? I feel there is a pretty big area in between total lockdown and releasing all restrictions.

I'm definitely not in favour of another lockdown. Not all restrictions are useful. But maybe we should hold off on organizing/attending potential super spreader events until we have enough data that confirms omnicron doesn't lead to as many deaths anymore.

Some measures I wouldn't mind if they became the norm - like keeping a bit more distance in line at the supermarket. More possibilites to work from home. (Maybe not full time, but giving people the option.)

I think it will also take me some time to adjust to "normal", like Discombobulated mentioned. I hear England also wants to get rid of quarantine/isolation? I'm planning another trip over there next month. My biggest worry at this point is catching omnicron and not being allowed into the UK, or not being allowed to go back home. Or sending people around me into quarantine.

Although I haven't had my booster yet, I think I should be fine since my last shot is less than 3 months ago. And that is why we're getting boostered, right, because the antibodies decline over time?
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BreakForTheLight - we still have capacity restrictions and mask requirements. I am not opposed to those for the most part.


The outdoor mask requirement when no one else is around is stupid, though. We most be the only place that still has that. I've been going for walks around the neighborhood these days and I bring a mask, but I usually keep it off unless there are people passing by. We live in a gated community surrounded by farms and vineyards, so it's not like the police or the municipal security people are around much to check on those things.

Work from home is also a good option for people who can.


At the same time, I am very opposed to the very strict lockdowns we went through last year and in 2020, along with all those stupid rules about essential versus non-essential products. That was excessive and our freedoms were curtailed way too much. The damage caused by all that seems like it was worse than any results achieved, if there were any.

For now, I think the government will not go back to the strictest policies and has determined that promoting vaccination and less oppressive restrictions are the way to go. However, what happens after March is anyone's guess. We have a new government taking office and the possible new Health Minister used to be president of the medical college. She was one of the major supporters of the Covid zero policy that they proposed. However, the new president would have to declare another state of constitutional exception to do so, and I think that would be extremely unpopular.
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Hi I am in northeast US and the biggest problem I see is people are not taking masking seriously. At grocery stores at least 1-2 check out people have the mask either under chin or on mouth but not nose.

Some shoppers wear no mask. What are they thinking? Large family gatherings are still making cases show up. Fortunately the hospitalized cases is not as great as last year but the cases are more but not as serious for some.

What are things like in other countries around the world?
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Lately Iím a hermit except shopped and ran errands on the weekend and walk outside pretty much daily. Really only go out for necessities only, and not encouraged to go mingle with big crowds of people now. Kind of a homebody usually anyway.
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Yeah Iím a hermit too. I put my y membership on hold, havenít signed up for any art classes. Only go to the grocery store once a week. I have disposable mask but they donít fit well and cloth masks, they are triple layered with a filter but now I wear both. They say in 2 weeks the risk should go down. If it does Iíll go back to the Y. And sign up for art classes again. Next week they are supposed to be handing out the new 95 masks, weíll see and a bit late!
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Hi I am in northeast US and the biggest problem I see is people are not taking masking seriously. At grocery stores at least 1-2 check out people have the mask either under chin or on mouth but not nose.

Some shoppers wear no mask. What are they thinking? Large family gatherings are still making cases show up. Fortunately the hospitalized cases is not as great as last year but the cases are more but not as serious for some.

What are things like in other countries around the world?
We have had indoor mask mandates on and off since July 2020 (before that there werenít enough masks available to buy), from my own perspective as a grocery store employee I think many people are confused by the on/off nature of mandates and constantly changing guidance in the UK (England). I think this changing undermines the message.

Currently we have a mandate for stores and public transport (employees are exempt this time around but I wear mine) but from next week itís being lifted again. Actually we still have high case rates and significant hospitalisation and deaths, especially in the area I live in which is only just coming down from the peak.

Itís controversial, because we now seem to be in a situation with vaccination and new variants whereby for many people this is similar to flu or colds but much more serious for clinically extremely vulnerable people. There is very little to protect those people other than them staying home.
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These mandatory mask refs are mostly political not for public safety. My state had. One long period then right after vaccines came out they dropped it way too soon. When omicron came, still no mandate for the state. Individual cities did declare them, but whoo whoo too little and too late. For people like mum itís dangerous to be anywhere but home. I only worry that I might pick it up and bring it home to her. Sheís 93 and has heart and lung problems. So right now any place I go with other people Iím double masked until omicron has passed. Today I had to go pick up mumís meds and most of the people were masked. But it was early and most of them were elderly.
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