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Default Jun 14, 2021 at 04:03 AM
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20 hours since getting the shot and I have not yet received any magnetic super powers

Actually zero side effects so far. Arm is a little tender but I wouldn't even say it hurts. Hope I remain side effect free. From what I've read apart from the thrombosis risk J&J has less side effects than other vaccjnes.
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20 hours since getting the shot and I have not yet received any magnetic super powers

Actually zero side effects so far. Arm is a little tender but I wouldn't even say it hurts. Hope I remain side effect free. From what I've read apart from the thrombosis risk J&J has less side effects than other vaccjnes.
That's fantastic news!
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@BreakForTheLight - I am very happy that you were able to get vaccinated. Hopefully you will be able to remain side effect-free!
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20 hours since getting the shot and I have not yet received any magnetic super powers

Actually zero side effects so far. Arm is a little tender but I wouldn't even say it hurts. Hope I remain side effect free. From what I've read apart from the thrombosis risk J&J has less side effects than other vaccjnes.
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Do you have to have a doctor inform you about the risks in other countries? I asked my parents and back home you only have to talk to a doctor before your vaccination if you answered yes on any of the questions on the form you get before. Here it is mandatory for everyone. On top of being handed reading material you also have to sign. And not just for J&J but all the available vaccines. (Imagine my shock when they put 4 total strangers together around 1 table to have this talk ) At least it gave you something to do while waiting in line, though It was a loooooooong wait.

Here, the time I stormed out of the vaccination center, the woman at the intake table quickly asked me if I had pre-existing conditions. The second time, I wasn't asked. I pretty quickly launched into my can I get Pfizer speech, so I may have distracted her. Neither my husband nor I had to sign anything. He got a flyer listing typical side effects and some other information. No one gave me anything like that.
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Of course, I am not surprised at all. 27% of infected people were fully vaccinated! What will the Minister say now? Probably, "Sinovac is an excellent vaccine."

I don't know about the comment that cases are stabilizing, though. You really have to compare days of the week, last Monday to this Monday, etc. because on weekends fewer tests are done and make it look like things are improving. Last I saw, those day by day comparisons were not good.

The government decided that Sinovac is the hill they will die on. We will not be able to return to any sort of normalcy with this level of virus transmission. It will be masks and not being able to go anywhere and social distancing for the long haul. It depresses me.
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We had our lifting of all restrictions delayed until July as predicted. Only about 50% have both vaccines and with Delta variant the 2nd one counts.

Big relief our son got his text invite today and booked for his 1st Pfizer tomorrow, remarkably efficient. So glad as next month he'll be likely working away from home face to face with the public.
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Gonna use a new English idiom I learnt a little bit ago.
My poor Venezuelan family are gonna get their vaccines when the cows come home. 🙄

I saw President Maduro to be shot months ago. I wonder when in his plans are to provide people like my mother-in-law who is about to turn her 86, being vaccinated.

This world is always full of differences of opportunities. This is so obscene!

Well, tomorrow I will receive my shot. At 9:54 a.m. neither a minute above nor a minute bellow lol!

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Of course, I am not surprised at all. 27% of infected people were fully vaccinated! What will the Minister say now? Probably, "Sinovac is an excellent vaccine."

I don't know about the comment that cases are stabilizing, though. You really have to compare days of the week, last Monday to this Monday, etc. because on weekends fewer tests are done and make it look like things are improving. Last I saw, those day by day comparisons were not good.

The government decided that Sinovac is the hill they will die on. We will not be able to return to any sort of normalcy with this level of virus transmission. It will be masks and not being able to go anywhere and social distancing for the long haul. It depresses me.
I wonder how in China who also received Sinovac, they seem to have the pandemic controlled. Something is missing, no?

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@AzulOscuro - Being an authoritarian government system, China took draconian measures early on, seriously locking people down to stop the spread. For example: To Stop The Spread Of Coronavirus, China Takes Drastic Steps : Goats and Soda : NPR . China also has used restrictive entry controls. They have mostly relied those measures and have focused more on exporting vaccines rather than mass vaccination. From what I have read, China is only recently stepping up internal vaccinations.

I also don't think we know everything about what has gone on in China as far as the case numbers. They definitely control what data gets out and there are a lot of doubts about their statistics. I think it's very likely that the strict measures they took controlled things more than elsewhere before the vaccines were even an option. However, it's still hard to know for sure what the real numbers from there are, especially in the earlier days of the pandemic.

Supposedly, one of the reasons they wanted to use Chile and other countries in the region to test their vaccines is that there are so many active cases floating around. If the lockdowns did reduce cases a lot in China, it would have been hard to run trials.

In this part of the world it would not be possible legally or culturally to enforce such strict measures. The restrictions in many cases are more on paper than in practice for many reasons, including lack of resources to enforce them, low levels of social support and a proliferation of permits to go out (wrongly classifying employees as essential workers, the mobility permit for the vaccinated, etc.). I think here, Uruguay, Mexico and other countries that have been vaccinating at a relatively high rate put all their bets on the vaccines because they don't see many other options. An important percentage of these are Sinovac. Uruguay is in the same boat as us.


I am so sorry to hear about your in-laws. The vaccine disparity is criminal.
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I understand your explanation.
And yes measures are being more on paper than in reality. Here, the same. While people like you or me are respecting safety measures, a noticeable part of the population did and are doing whatever they please. And legally they haven’t paid a single ****ing bill extended by the police (according to what I heard last week on the News).
This is like a bad teacher or a bad parent who try to set limits but they end up yielding.

I already tell it here, from now on I’m gonna do whatever I please.

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Well, we got another load of 1 million Sinovac doses and of course the Minister had to come out to say "All vaccines we have bought are safe and effective."

Reactions on social media to this:
- "For the love of God, stop buying more of that vaccine!"
- "Why the hell aren't they trying to get us more Pfizer and Moderna?"
- "They keep ordering and ordering more of the least effective vaccine."
- "Why do we have the same % of vaccinated as the US and still have lockdowns?"

People are pissed off.


Now it is coming out that ICU bed occupation is increasing in the 70+ age group. They are the most vaccinated and were the first to receive vaccines. Supposedly the great success of the vaccines was fewer elderly in the ICU. The Health Minister now says more investigation needs to be done and said he has no data on whether the people in the ICU were vaccinated or not. For the last 3-4 weeks or so, they have made data available about the percentages of ICU admissions that were vaccinated or not. Now, suddenly the Minister has no idea.

The idea of a booster for people that have received Sinovac is "under study" and the Health Ministry only talks about buying more vaccines next year.
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@rechu holy moly that is ridiculous getting more Sinovac! Do you have Delta variant in Chile now?

@AzulOscuro how did your vaccination go? Hoping you're doing okay.

Our son got his 1st Pfizer yesterday and seems symptom free, apart from a little tiredness maybe.
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That's good to hear about your son, @Discombobulated. I hope you are doing well, @AzulOscuro.

Yes, they bought more Sinovac. It's becoming a joke. I think the government feels like it has to keep backing this garbage because they are trying to bring that Sinovac lab here to produce vaccines to sell to the rest of the continent. If no one wants the vaccine, the lab is a losing proposition. For all we know, the president and his family want to invest in the lab. Maybe he has promised the Health Minister that he will be the director. There's got to be something like that going on.

I just read that even Costa Rica refused donations of Sinovac, preferring Pfizer even if it takes longer to get everyone vaccinated.

Oh, and now we have this:
Hundreds of vaccinated Indonesian health workers get COVID-19, dozens in hospital | Reuters

Indonesia was supposed to be a success story for Sinovac due to some study on health workers. The study wasn't so convincing to me since they only followed the vaccine recipients for 28 days after full vaccination and the average age was 31, so they were relatively low risk in the first place.


The last I read, they haven't found the Delta variant here. However, I don't know how much sequencing they are doing. Supposedly the border closure has helped us with that. The main variants are P1 from Brazil and some sort of Andean variant that is making the rounds of the region. I'm not sure what they are called under the new system.
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Well last week we were told only 2% in hospital were fully vaccinated now apparently it's 20% this week. Not quite sure what to make of that. It seems high to me.
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Wow, that does sound high. Have you gotten any explanations? It doesn't sound like it . When they refer to vaccinated, is there any indication that they mean fully vaccinated, 14 days after the 2nd dose or do they include people with one vaccine or that have the 2nd dose but haven't passed the second dose. He he, inquiring minds want to know!

I really hope it's not that the vaccines are not very effective against the Delta variant. That would be very bad news for all of us. Here, the border being closed to most entries has supposedly kept it out for now, we can't keep that closure going forever.
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Wow, that does sound high. Have you gotten any explanations? It doesn't sound like it . When they refer to vaccinated, is there any indication that they mean fully vaccinated, 14 days after the 2nd dose or do they include people with one vaccine or that have the 2nd dose but haven't passed the second dose. He he, inquiring minds want to know!

I really hope it's not that the vaccines are not very effective against the Delta variant. That would be very bad news for all of us. Here, the border being closed to most entries has supposedly kept it out for now, we can't keep that closure going forever.
Yes agree it would be good to know more specifics - no they haven't indicated if any of the people were 14 days or more past 2nd vaccine but they have said they'd had both doses. No explanations given for the increase other than for some people the vaccine just wont work very well and we are now confirmed as being in a 3rd wave so it's spreading again and finding the vulnerable like it does.

I too hope it's not to do with this Delta variant too. Going to have to watch and wait again. This feels never-ending though.
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Wow. The Netherlands are dropping ALL measures except 1,5 m soon. And face masks when 1,5 m isn't possible. They are effing insane, with the delta variant spreading in Europe.

Do they really think people are going to either keep 1,5 m distance or wear a face mask in a night club?? Yeah, those are opening up as well suddenly I'm not looking forward to going back home as much anymore
Important detail: their numbers aren't even that low. Compared to Germany, they're not even doing that great. Numbers are still high.

Going back to the office is coming up soon as well. It'll be in shifts. Probably once every 4 weeks. I'm worried I'll feel even more lonely at the office between colleagues I've never met before and won't really get to know in this crazy situation. I'd rather stay home until things are truly back to normal.

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@rechu holy moly that is ridiculous getting more Sinovac! Do you have Delta variant in Chile now?

@AzulOscuro how did your vaccination go? Hoping you're doing okay.

Our son got his 1st Pfizer yesterday and seems symptom free, apart from a little tiredness maybe.
I went well. I was vaccinated the same day as you son and I only felt the same symptoms as him. Same vaccine. 7th July, second dosage.
Thanks for your concern, and you also @rechu. Thanks.

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Wow, that does sound high. Have you gotten any explanations? It doesn't sound like it . When they refer to vaccinated, is there any indication that they mean fully vaccinated, 14 days after the 2nd dose or do they include people with one vaccine or that have the 2nd dose but haven't passed the second dose. He he, inquiring minds want to know!

I really hope it's not that the vaccines are not very effective against the Delta variant. That would be very bad news for all of us. Here, the border being closed to most entries has supposedly kept it out for now, we can't keep that closure going forever.
Here, in my Community is happening the same. We went up the top of more contagious but they still don’t know if it’s because of the Delta variant.

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