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Default Sep 18, 2021 at 05:21 PM
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I think the cure is worse than the disease with Covid. I am fully vaxxed btw. But this business of living indoors, living indoors, living in fear... how is all this negatively influencing people in terms of mental health? The people I know who had Covid had only slight head cold symptoms, this was prior to the vaccine. I understand it's worse for some vulnerable populations, and some unlucky people who do die from it.

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I've made it to the city of tonight's concert. First long distance travel on public transport in 1,5 year. Wasn't bad, no anxiety really, but wearing a mask for so long sucks. Hope I won't end up with maskne I know, I know, first world problems

Still flying solo for the gig though, shame for the second ticket not being used
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Hope the concert was worth that long ride! I met up with someone this weekend. First thing he says is 'oh, by the way, I have a cold but I don't think it's Covid.' Um, maybe not today and thanks for letting me know ahead of time.
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My friend with a cold wound up taking his kid in for Covid testing. It was negative but I am not sure if that means anything - maybe it was just too soon. I am glad I canceled on the spot. I would be so paranoid and canceling everything else otherwise. I hope they are all Covid free and over whatever it is they have very soon.
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England’s Covid travel rules spark outrage around the world | Coronavirus | The Guardian

Under the new rules, travellers fully vaccinated with Oxford/AstraZeneca, Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna or Janssen shots in the US, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea or an EU country will be considered “fully vaccinated” and exempt from quarantine when they arrive in England from an amber list country.

But people who have been fully vaccinated with the same vaccines in Africa or Latin America, as well as other countries including India, will be considered “not fully vaccinated” and forced to quarantine for 10 days on arrival from an amber list country.

Wow. So being vaccinated with Pfizer, does not count as fully vaccinated because I received it in South America? That Is the dumbest thing I have heard in a while. I'm not planning to go to the UK any time soon but want to visit my brother and his girlfriend at some point. Her family is in Paraguay, so if they have been vaccinated, I guess theirs won't count either.
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Idaho'''s COVID Nightmare: Hospitals Set Crisis Standards Of Care

I can't believe I am actually posting a Buzzfeed article here... Is this for real?! Wow, this hits hard. Why are people like this? Imagine someone you love dying of a heart attack because the hospitals were full of covid patients who refused to get vaccinated Maybe things over here aren't *that* bad.
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I think the cure is worse than the disease with Covid. I am fully vaxxed btw. But this business of living indoors, living indoors, living in fear... how is all this negatively influencing people in terms of mental health? The people I know who had Covid had only slight head cold symptoms, this was prior to the vaccine. I understand it's worse for some vulnerable populations, and some unlucky people who do die from it.

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I dont think anyone expects you to stay indoors, or live indoors. People are just asking for people to get vaaccinated and wear a mask.
My brother is an icu nurse. He just lost a 30-ish woman who was 6 months pregnant and unvaccinated. They had to take the baby early while the mom was on a vent. My brother is 32 and in excellent health. He caught covid in April of 2020 and was very sick. I wish I could let people hear him tell his story and about all the horror and trauma he experienced. No, its not just the vunerable and unlucky people who die from it.

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Wow, so our state of constitutional exception is finally going to end on October 1st. That means no more curfew and they can't do lockdowns either. They will maintain the ability to place capacity restrictions on places like restaurants and gyms in areas with higher case counts.

It is hard to believe. It has been so long.
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Wow, so our state of constitutional exception is finally going to end on October 1st. That means no more curfew and they can't do lockdowns either. They will maintain the ability to place capacity restrictions on places like restaurants and gyms in areas with higher case counts.

It is hard to believe. It has been so long.

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Sarah - basically it means that our normal constitutional rights do not exist because of extenuating circumstances. It allows the government to implement lockdowns, curfews, prohibitions on businesses' operations, etc. We were in the same state in 2019 due to the riots. The first one was lifted, but then the pandemic hit and they implemented it again.
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Sarah - basically it means that our normal constitutional rights do not exist because of extenuating circumstances. It allows the government to implement lockdowns, curfews, prohibitions on businesses' operations, etc. We were in the same state in 2019 due to the riots. The first one was lifted, but then the pandemic hit and they implemented it again.

I’m not trying to be a jerk. But do you understand constitutional rights? I’m not being condescending or patronizing I’m being completely serious. The reason is very often people conflate constitutional rights with being able to do whatever they want whenever they want no matter what the consequences or benefits are. Extenuating circumstances do not abolish our constitutional rights. Regarding lockdowns, masks etc. no constitutional rights were violated whatsoever by instituting these policies. It gets to me sometimes for example: I am not particularly fond of guns. I don’t want them band but there Hass to be more done regarding all of the gun violence. The same people who freak out about their rights being violated due to masks or capacity limits etc. are usually the same people who will freak out if you dare say anything about touching their guns or their gun rights. They also don’t understand the constitution very well or the Second amendment. Please don’t be offended I’m not talking about you. I’m talking in the general sense mostly about my experiences with real big assholes around here. If any of these people that claim such things were to actually sit down and read the Bill of Rights and the Constitution and understand it they would realize that their Rights are being protected just fine. Another example that came to me today is The idea of private businesses being able to make whatever rules they want in their business, and refuse service to anyone if those rules however arbitrary are violated. Do you remember the court case regarding the lesbians who wanted a wedding cake baked for them by that one bakery? Well that bakery refused and after all the legal proceedings happened if I’m not mistaken the bakery won. People with certain political beliefs ranted and raved in the media and government the entire time the court case was moving through the system. All you heard was private businesses can make their own rules, private business owners should not be beholden to government authority. The idea was if you don’t like the rules don’t come here.
So that is OK, but a business that wants to have their own mask mandate is being prevented from doing so by various state governments and agencies across the country. I say what happened to the idea of private businesses being able to do what they want? Why is it fine to refuse something as simple and goofy as a cake based on constitutional right but a business who would like patrons to wear a mask is not allowed to to the point where state governments are actually signing laws that ban a business from requiring a mask. So apparently the idea of constitutional rights only applies if The car is behind it is deemed worthy. Sorry I get real fired up about this. And like I said this is not against you.

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Hey @rechu i’m sorry for getting so fired up. I wasn’t yelling at you, and I don’t think you are wrong. I just need the connection that you’re from South America correct? I’m sure things are very different there. Again I hope I didn’t offend you.

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No, its not just the vunerable and unlucky people who die from it.
Actually it is. I believe the death rate is in the low single digits or something. So that is by definition unlucky (or vulnerable). By definition that is unlucky people who get it. At some point we have to think about the greater cost to our society through all this crap. Look at the mental health strain this is putting people through.
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I'm not dealing with it too well. I long for my old life but also know that will never be the same again.

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Actually it is. I believe the death rate is in the low single digits or something. So that is by definition unlucky (or vulnerable). By definition that is unlucky people who get it. At some point we have to think about the greater cost to our society through all this crap. Look at the mental health strain this is putting people through.

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I understand you, Sarah. Basically to take these public health measures like lockdowns here, they had to decide suspend the constitution due to the public health risk. The government is not, in normal times, allowed to implement curfews or tell people they cannot have gatherings in their homes. I guess it is similar to the state of emergency that many countries have implemented.

Here the curfew is a touchy subject because when the country was under dictatorship in the 70s and 80s, the government implemented curfews and restricted people's right to meet. There were serious consequences for not complying.

In general, most people here seemed to be willing to follow the public health rules because they understand we are in a pandemic. Masks were never a big point of contention. Yeah, there were some secret concerts/parties in lockdown and an antimasker here and there, but those tended to be isolated. Our high rate of vaccination and declining case counts are why the government can't justify keeping the constitutional exception in place any more.

I don't blame you for being frustrated with the situation in the US. The governors of certain states seem to want to kill off their own constituents by prohibiting school districts and businesses from implementing public health policies.

Here the kids are back in in-person school for the most part. I have a few friends who are teachers. There are mask mandates at schools here and they say there haven't been many issues with compliance. We haven't had the outbreaks the schools like the US has.

I am originally from the US but have been living in Chile for almost 2 decades.
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Actually it is. I believe the death rate is in the low single digits or something. So that is by definition unlucky (or vulnerable). By definition that is unlucky people who get it. At some point we have to think about the greater cost to our society through all this crap. Look at the mental health strain this is putting people through.

So many people have seen that social media Memes somewhere or some arbitrary fact on the Internet or TV. They don’t understand how the death rate is calculated. They don’t understand what it means. I don’t think you even understand what it means. 99% survival rate or 1% death rate means nothing until you look at it on a grand scale. Statistics and data do not lie. Insight that nonsense was created using data that didn’t actually represent anything true from the CDC.
There are so many variables used to calculate those death rates and survival rates. Most people look at it like simple math but it’s statistics it’s a whole different game.
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Actually it is. I believe the death rate is in the low single digits or something. So that is by definition unlucky (or vulnerable). By definition that is unlucky people who get it. At some point we have to think about the greater cost to our society through all this crap. Look at the mental health strain this is putting people through.

I don’t know if you read some information that I share about my brother who is an ICU nurse at all or not, but he is not vulnerable or unlucky but he got Covid and was very sick.

The 42-year-old mother who had to be told her 11-year-old son died probably didn’t think he was vulnerable or unlucky.
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Actually it is. I believe the death rate is in the low single digits or something. So that is by definition unlucky (or vulnerable). By definition that is unlucky people who get it. At some point we have to think about the greater cost to our society through all this crap. Look at the mental health strain this is putting people through.
I know my chances of dying frok COVID-19 are quite slim but I'd also rather not get long covid, thanks.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...date-deadline/

And here we go. All because people will not get vaccinated.

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