Traits (game on!)

I am not gonna insult your intelligence by pretending this game is completely unrelated to the Psychometrics (predictions) game, but this one is greatly simplified so as to have more people participate, making it (hopefully) much more fun.

The game is an association and dissociation (as in deliberate, rational dissociation: not related to depersonalisation or derealisation) game.

These are the rules and ways to score points:

The aim
The aim is to end up with one set of traits or at least one clearly larger set and a much smaller one. This set should have as many traits as possible.

How many points you score with your one or two sets depends on a later round (which is largely irrelevant for now), but all I can say is that it requires fair/honest play.

Points in this (round of the) game
You get points for anyone using your superset (a combination of your two sets of traits) to continue the game. Anyone quoting your post to continue the game will amount to one point. You also get points for anyone showing agreement with your choice of set(s), shown by a "Thanks for this!".

Procedure: how to play and acquire points
In the beginning, I will list a few traits (10; adapted from the Psychometrics game).

All that is required is to make two sets (or just one) which together (or on its own) contain all traits (no duplicates: overlapping sets).

The first (and possibly only) set should contain those traits that are meaningful in the context of BP. In other words, you predict that they are likely to be somewhat essential for us (and others) with BP—or can be considered a contradiction for having BP. In short, traits we share or which we are unlikely to have.

The second set contains those traits which are meaningless indicators for BP: some will have them, others won't, with no clear (predicted) majority.

You have to remove one trait from one of your sets (that would be from the meaningless set) and you may add one. There is one requirement and an exception for added traits: they are not listed in the DSM as being a symptom of BP but you may combine symptoms so as to be considered one single (more restrictive) trait (e.g. distractibility due to a flight of ideas or racing thoughts).

If you don't, anyone quoting your sets may add one or two (but al least one; by removing just one, as usual). This may mean that for quite some time there are only 9 traits, but this means that the chances of having as many as possible in the first set are smaller.

Again, the aim is to end up with as many (meaningful) traits in the first set. Being sets, the order is irrelevant.

You may use the following headers in your post to separate traits (and select a trait to replace, including the new one, under another header):

Meaningful (share or shared absence)
...

Meaningless (only some would probably have them: no indicator)
...

Removed (the most meaningless)
... (only one)

Added
... (only one)

It is much like a card game. The actual value of the cards is, like in a card game, not known to others. The difference is that they are not known to you either. It's all about predictions. Another (answering) round is used to give you (possibly) the bulk of points.

Any questions? Finally actually sounds like fun?

I will list the traits once I heard from enough of you to determine whether the game is good as it is or needs simplification or otherwise needs to be changed/extended/restricted.

Edit:
To further elucidate an important point: when you quote someone's post, you (must) use their altered sets of traits (which traits are in which of the two is, however, completely up to you).

You may still give predictions in the ("old") Psychometrics (predictions) thread, in the way described there and with any traits adapted from those 10 questions or any used here.

The following are the symptoms listed in the DSM for mania and hypomania, with "loss of appetite" added by me (borrowed from the description of depression; so you may use that one as replacement in the game):

MADRID IS
(Psycho)motor agitation
Loss of appetite
Distractibility
Excessive involvement in pleasurable or risky activities (i.e. with the potential of painful consequences)
Flight of ideas
Decreased need for sleep

Inflated self-esteem or grandiosity
Pressured speech

The following are the symptoms for depression:

Depressed mood most of the day, every day
Diminished interest or pleasure in all activities, most of the day
Significant weight loss or gain
Insomnia or hypersomnia
Psychomotor agitation or retardation
Fatigue or loss of energy
Feelings of guilt of worthlessness

(I have a feeling of worthlessness when reading some of these symptoms, but not due to that of my own )

Please come up with traits that transcends mania and depression. Something like "changeable mood" would already do it.

i'm staying out of this one.

not sure i understand.

only thing i understand is the 2 lists you put up- the list of mania trates and depression trates

Ok, I hope you change your mind once I have given an example. It really is quite simple, but my explanation might not be that good. If you really don't want to take part, even then, that's of course perfectly fine. Thanks for the response.

I just hope some will take part.

I'll post an example (the first 10 traits) tomorrow.

Eh ... the post is too long for me to play

*drinks coffee to wake up*

I must be totally stupid. I don't understand either game. But then again, I never took statistics in college so I wouldn't know how it all works.

How about astrophysics. Quantum. Abstract algebra. Calculus. Light stuff like that.
Something we can all understand..

That's more for next time.

Seriously, this is like ten times easier than most card games: it's like an easy card game kind of game.

It's almost becoming something like many forms of anxiety now: unfounded.

Meaningful
Love of freedom
Love for routine
Love of clarity
Love of music
Distractibility due to constant new ideas
Unusual sleeping patterns
Distractibility due to one's surroundings

Meaningless
Love of works of fiction
Being considered eccentric
Distractibility due to unwanted thoughts

Removed
Love of works of fiction

Added
Intelligence

I know you mean well, but rather than a "game" where the instructions are longer than most of us are even willing to read much less take the time to comprehend, why not just ask a simple direct question if you have one. You may enjoy the mental gymnastics of these games, but I suspect most of us here would prefer just simple, straight communication with each other about what is going on in our lives rather than games. It's just a bit much.

No, of course you are not stupid!

I am sorry it is too much to take in/on (sad in not being exactly certain how it would work or be fun/interesting).

It is simpler than the "BP is..." game in many ways and can give us more insight. But it probably is no fun because the means to really know how valuable/valid your selection/cards are can only be determined in a later round.

There is no way to "just ask a question" in the same quick and controlled manner while finding optimal questions which are both surprising and meaningful.

However, it can be done by just asking questions and looking at the answers. It is just that a game element can make it more reliable, controlled/structured, valid and fun. It is very much a tool to analyse what we are actually writing in other threads. Like a way of storing all the great insights that tend to get lost very quickly.

I just failed miserably, I guess.

Thanks all the same, for trying to understand.

Anyone who does get it, you are very welcome to continue the game, but it probably is on life support.

Meaningful
Intelligence
Love of freedom
Love for routine
Love of clarity
Love of music
Distractibility due to constant new ideas
Unusual sleeping patterns
Distractibility due to one's surroundings

Meaningless
Being considered eccentric
Distractibility due to unwanted thoughts

Removed
Being considered eccentric

Added
Very good memory

Meaningful
Intelligence
Love of freedom
Love for routine
Love of music
Distractibility due to constant new ideas
Unusual sleeping patterns
Distractibility due to one's surroundings
Very good memory

Meaningless
Love of clarity
Distractibility due to unwanted thoughts

Removed
Distractibility due to unwanted thoughts

Added
Humility

(if I were to not move one trait to Meaningless, I would indicate I finished changing my set of traits. Finishing early would give you more points in the answering round, but it is risky because more meaningful traits might still be added by others.)

But how too get points in the answering round might still be too complicated. It will be done in a fair way, but explaining it will certainly make you more confused.

The Meaningful set/list can always/often be divided in two: one of very BP-like traits, the other traits that are very non-BP-like.

I'm lost in the sauce over here.

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Icare, Kill it, Kill It, Kill IT, KILL IT, KILL IT!!!!. KILL IT DEAD!!!.

I'm not gonna kill it. I strongly belief in it. But go on, just ignore it.

Meaningful
Love of freedom
Love for routine
Love of music
Distractibility due to constant new ideas
Unusual sleeping patterns
Distractibility due to one's surroundings
Very good memory
Humility

Meaningless
Love of clarity
Intelligence

Removed
Love of clarity

Added

Is there anything under the "Meaningful" header that doesn't help to identify BP: it is neither typically characteristic or uncharacteristic of BP, as far as you can tell? Do you know of any traits that might be more meaningful than any or all those listed?

Just ignore this, if you feel uncomfortable associating any/some (personality) traits with BP or you think my questions shouldn't be asked.