[venusss]

Okay, so I came across the #MedicatedAndMighty crap today. For some it should be rather #deadeyesandfat. I don't really get it, posting selfies with prescription bottles seems more like capture of #whatswrongwithwesternworld rather then some empowerement. Egomanical. Indulgent.

I don't go around posting selfies with empty hands or with some fish oil and bach essences.

I don't care for what goes in your body. (Yes, I think most food pictures on the internet are lame too. Why post that? We all eat. Soon we will be posting pictures of what goes out of our bodies too).

Your choice.

If it works for you, great, but if you are gonna talk about your choice, I prefer not pathetic words of explanation.

I guess I generally dislike big language. Nobody is "brave" or "courageous" for taking pills. Just like I am not brave for doing this #medfree. I even refuse to call myself brave for the bigger things I do, because I think that word is reserved to those in life and death situations.

Taking or not taking pills does not make you some sort of warrior. It's a doing what is best for you. At the very moment (and sometimes not even that. Sometimes it's just being plain stupid).

I don't mean any offense, but I think there is sometimes too much pathos in the MH community. Maybe that's why the non-crazies look down at us. Because we speak like characters from Latino Soap Opera.

We all do everything to survive and deal with this life thing. Everybody has cross to bear. Focus more on living and having fun and doing good than seeking validation. Even self validation.

[violetgreen]

I agree. It's like trying to display yourself in a heroic frame. Doesn't change who you really are though.

[Keegan2015]

I've never even heard of this "trend" but it sounds silly and pointless to me. Take your meds, so what? Don't let it define who you are.

[Melmo]

I disagree but we all have our opinions

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[cashart10]

I agree completely. What a waste of energy judging what works for another person! I am highly committed to medication (an inability to live without it has been pounded in my brain by multiple outlets) but doubt it all the time as I tend to be unwell even while taking it. Not to mention, my cognition is a joke and I am certain the meds are the main culprit. Kudos to those who have enough discipline to manage without medication and kudos to those who have the disciple to recognize that meds are necessary to them.

[venusss]

Originally Posted by Melmo

I disagree but we all have our opinions

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why do you disagree?

[Melmo]

Because I think that that it takes courage for someone to admit to themselves that they need meds to function, and to go to their dr and ask for it. And as someone above said, being commited to taking it even when it feels like it isn't working. Fighting against stigma that other people have against mental illness and people who say it's made up by pharmaceutical companies to sell drugs and insist you are fine without meds. (and yes I have heard this personally)

[venusss]

If it isn't working, why should you be commited to taking them?


And for me, I am fine without meds and this seems like another campaign against us who are not medicated for various reasons (like we cannot handle pharmaceuticals or we are vary of them because our bodies are generally very sensitive to anything).

Medicated people have the MH system in their favor.... and majority of the campaigns, bloggers and whatnot. If going to doctor for meds takes courage, what does it take to go to doctor asking you want OFF your meds, with a BP diagnosis?

Unmedicated people? I feel we are made to say "I know meds work for some" in every single of our statements, less somebody gets offended and hurt.

Again, these are choice. All can be valid. But each person needs to know if they are doing the right thing... In the end it does not really matter. It's what the person does, what they leave behind.... that matters.

[BastetsMuse]

Originally Posted by venusss

I guess I generally dislike big language. Nobody is "brave" or "courageous" for taking pills. Just like I am not brave for doing this #medfree. I even refuse to call myself brave for the bigger things I do, because I think that word is reserved to those in life and death situations.

Taking or not taking pills does not make you some sort of warrior. It's a doing what is best for you. At the very moment (and sometimes not even that. Sometimes it's just being plain stupid).

I respectfully disagree with you. I think that people ARE brave and courageous for consistently taking medication to treat illnesses, both physical and mental illnesses. For me, learning that there were pills to take to treat bipolar was huge -- I was so glad I could do something about the feelings I'd been having.

And it's not just semantics. But we're all different, and perhaps for you these things don't apply.

[Melmo]

I said we all have our opinions. You asked why I disagreed only to tell me I'm wrong.

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[venusss]

It's called debating/discussing. I just see it from my perspective.

[Melmo]

And I don't see a point it debating it, because neither of us will change the others mind. But I don't see why you would tell other people who use this campaign to help them take their needed meds that they're not brave. What's the point. Do what works for you. If you take meds and its working for you great, keep taking them. If not and its working for you great, keep doing what you're doing.

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[venusss]

Originally Posted by BastetsMuse

I respectfully disagree with you. I think that people ARE brave and courageous for consistently taking medication to treat illnesses, both physical and mental illnesses. For me, learning that there were pills to take to treat bipolar was huge -- I was so glad I could do something about the feelings I'd been having.

And it's not just semantics. But we're all different, and perhaps for you these things don't apply.

But if it helps you, then it's logical to do it.

It's coping, it's doing what you need to do to feel better, it's finding your way.


I guess to me brave is... I do not. Standing up to tanks. Or standing up for the right thing, even if there are consquences on you. By taking meds you may be wrecking your liver (which goes for supplements)... but...

I mean, if we use the word "brave" for taking meds, than we need invent other word for those who risk their lives and comfort for others/greater good or whatnot. Which renders the word "brave" then meaningless.

I guess I am thinking too much, hah.

[Melmo]

I guess my point is that this post is not helpful, but could be hurtful to some people.

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[jacky8807]

Hmm I never thought of it as brave. Probably more than half the country is on one psych med or another. They are leading in the sales department across the u.s.

[venusss]

Originally Posted by Melmo

And I don't see a point it debating it, because neither of us will change the others mind. But I don't see why you would tell other people who use this campaign to help them take their needed meds that they're not brave. What's the point. Do what works for you. If you take meds and its working for you great, keep taking them. If not and its working for you great, keep doing what you're doing.

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So I have to approve of everything in the world?

I think this campaign can be dangerous, it is also convincing people to take meds they don't need, because HASHTAG! It is not allowing space to debate. It puts meds before people. The meds are stressed first. Even in the selfies they seem to be focal point of the picture. Then the person comes as afterthough. They are mighty because they are medicated, it seems to claim. People who had negative experience with meds are often attacked because "the med saved milions of lives, stop saying it's bad". Their identity seems to based on meds. On many forums I see people who use name of their meds as their user name or name of their blog (and not even in tongue in cheek way, just name of med, the end of it).

[venusss]

Originally Posted by Melmo

I guess my point is that this post is not helpful, but could be hurtful to some people.

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So is the campaign, eh.

[Melmo]

Like I said, we all have our opinions.

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[ComfortablyNumb5]

Sooo. Is my username offensive?

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[venusss]

Btw, I am not saying these people cannot be brave and great and even *mighty* in other ways. But to me, one is simply not brave because what they put in their body. Or don't.

I prefer to look at one's souls.

Originally Posted by venusss

Okay, so I came across the #MedicatedAndMighty crap today. For some it should be rather #deadeyesandfat. I don't really get it, posting selfies with prescription bottles seems more like capture of #whatswrongwithwesternworld rather then some empowerement. Egomanical. Indulgent.

I don't go around posting selfies with empty hands or with some fish oil and bach essences.

I don't care for what goes in your body. (Yes, I think most food pictures on the internet are lame too. Why post that? We all eat. Soon we will be posting pictures of what goes out of our bodies too).

Your choice.

If it works for you, great, but if you are gonna talk about your choice, I prefer not pathetic words of explanation.

I guess I generally dislike big language. Nobody is "brave" or "courageous" for taking pills. Just like I am not brave for doing this #medfree. I even refuse to call myself brave for the bigger things I do, because I think that word is reserved to those in life and death situations.

Taking or not taking pills does not make you some sort of warrior. It's a doing what is best for you. At the very moment (and sometimes not even that. Sometimes it's just being plain stupid).

I don't mean any offense, but I think there is sometimes too much pathos in the MH community. Maybe that's why the non-crazies look down at us. Because we speak like characters from Latino Soap Opera.

We all do everything to survive and deal with this life thing. Everybody has cross to bear. Focus more on living and having fun and doing good than seeking validation. Even self validation.

This tirade was very brave.
#DEADEYESANDFAT #IDONTCAREFORWHATGOESINYOURBODY

Originally Posted by venusss

Btw, I am not saying these people cannot be brave and great and even *mighty* in other ways. But to me, one is simply not brave because what they put in their body. Or don't.

I prefer to look at one's souls.

Perhaps what you are missing is that these may be people who have struggled to find some way to live with their bipolar disorder and all the consequences thereof and it may have taken a great deal of soul searching and years of trial and error, years of going off meds only to end up in really bad shape, years of perhaps losing jobs and relationships, etc. to finally decide that, for them, taking medication is helpful and has gotten them to a better place in their own life.

Seems like you are taking their individual pride in their own decisions as an affront to everyone else, including yourself, when maybe they are doing that just for them because they are finally feeling some relief and resolution in their life.

I know that's not the treatment path you chose for yourself. It's not the treatment path I'm on anymore either. But that doesn't mean it is the wrong path for these individuals who may very well have very bravely decided that this path is the one that is keeping their life together. If they want to post a picture of themselves and claim their bravery, who am I to decide what was personally brave for them? For some people, just getting up and out of bed and walking out the door to go to work each day is a huge feat of bravery. For you, it's tanks. I don't see how comparison of a person's individual and internal struggles in life matters on something like a Twitter feed. Would I do the whole picture thing? No, not personally. But they have chosen to and I don't really see it as any sort of statement about anything but their own personal struggle and journey.

[venusss]

I guess what ticks me off is some of these of the crowd get incredibely nasty to people who choose differently.

I have been told it's people like me who cause people not to take meds. I see them screeching how we who promote different paths want them to kill themselves. How no one ever ever ever should mention they had bad reaction to a med, because then somebody would not take it or stop taking it... that I am lucky while they are BRAVE (then they have dozens of postings about how "bipolar" sucks and nothing works. Alternating with spitting venom on alternative treatments).

So that is part of it.

Also what I already said.


I guess I am bit irritated with the world lately.

On that particular forum they are nasty? Or are you basing that on other situations? I haven't looked at what you are talking about (not a Twitter person myself), so is it really a discussion going on where people are getting nasty to others, or is this just a feed where people post a picture about themselves and move on? Makes a difference I would think.