Does mania include..

Does mania include anger?
Rather than being elated.. can a manic episode consist of fury, frustration and having hundreds of thoughts going through my head at once...
because when i read about mania, what i call my manic episode.. it fits the description but the elation..

yes? no? help?

Kelly xx

I think mania is more about the hundreds of thoughts and not being able to sit still, having lots of energy, than it is about elation; I don't think everyone experiences the elation.

Thankyou that's helped. x

everyone is differant , but we experience anger during both cycles, we just have to learn how to control and direct it

YES!!!! I'm a Bipolar-I and I had to be treted for anger quickly due to the fact I also a Rapid cycler. My anger was both in the depressive phase and Mania. I was ready to rip myself apart but my Meds DR found a med that brought it to a manageable level within days, and I have not had a real problem with it anymore. Don't get me wrong you still have to work at the jerks not getting to you but my medication helps me with this.Hope this helps!

Thankyou.. that helped alot xx

It's called dysphoric mania, AKA "mixed state."

"A dysphoric mania consists of a manic episode with depressive symptoms. Increased energy and some form of anger, from irritability to full blown rage, are the most common symptoms (MMDT). Symptoms may also include auditory hallucinations, confusion, insomnia, persecutory delusions, racing thoughts, restlessness, and suicidal ideation. Alcohol, drug abuse, and some antidepressant drugs may trigger dysphoric mania in susceptible individuals."

From the Wiki entry, which is probably ripped straight from the DSM-IV.

I always call it "energetically depressed" to my friends unfamiliar with psychobabble lingo.

In my experience, anger is always a possibility. I think maybe it springs from feeling that I'm 10 foot tall and bulletproof and other people know better.

Hi Kelly3,

My mania includes anger, irritation and frustration at others and also directed at myself. I rarely see the elation side of it, but when I do it does feel great and I hate to see it go. However, for the most part it is usually agitation combined with anger. My pdoc says this is normal part of bipolar for most people. As everyone does not always feel elated as part of their mania or hypomania. I hope this helps you

thankyou all of you.
that really helped.
good to know i'm not alone.

kelly. x

"my manic" consists of energy, but for the most part it is negative energy, I am p'd off at the world, run off at the mouth and say hurtful things I later regret or don't even remember saying, racing thoughts, anxiety, loss of concentration, lack of sleep( which sometimes helps put me on the manic side), violence, and lots of anger. On rare occations I wish I could stay manic because I do get a whole bunch of things done but the down part is what I really worry about. Does that make any sense? Or am I babbling? Anyways, everyones 'manic' is different although we may have similar symptoms. The whole thing stinks, up or down.Hope I helped and not confused you! -Jen

I'm dx. Bipolar II, so I get the hypo/manias not the manias, but they are definitely not elated. A definition I came across fits me to a tee:

"Dysphoric hypo-mania may be experienced by irritability, rapid thoughts which cause confusion and quick angry outburts. This dysphoric hypo-mania can cause problems in relationships, not only personal, but socialy and work related."

When this happens to me I get alot done but I'm furious and hateful with anyone in contact with me, and the world. I am a rapid cycler as well, and after a few hours or less, I crash and burn in remorse and self-hatred.

it is exhausting, and my pdoc says that at times it could well be mixed states.

This may not help you, as I don't experience Mania, but maybe it's similar but less intense.

For me, with Bipolar 1 disorder, it is exactly how you explained it. Lots of rage, anger and then "self" loathing. I have been like that most of my young adult life. It's the disability leading you. It takes it's toll on the ones you love as well. Very dibillitating if you ask me? Once more, you don't understand any better than anyone else. The dominoes don't fall into place until you have a correct diagnosis and the right treatment. Meds are very important
if you want your episodes to plateau out. They need to get down to a reasonable level so you enjoy your life.
You are right..........the symptoms are much the same, but
you might experience different levels. Today I think I was having an manic epi. as I was euphoric and feeling good, but maybe too good? I get real "chatty" when I'm in an episode and can't make myself leave if I'm in a conversation. It must drive some people nuts????.......but
that's the crux of the matter............you don't realize you're doing it until you come down off the ladder. (so to speak)
I am down now.........and I feel so so. Is that what you meant?

I don't know if it's age or a different chemical imbalance, but when I was younger I was vicious! I never acted physcially on those urges thank God. But with time and a lot of work, I am able to control them.

Now I just get crabby, so crabby I can't even stand myself. I think a big part of it is the lack of sleep. Minor things become major when you haven't slept in two days.

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It's called dysphoric mania, AKA "mixed state."

"A dysphoric mania consists of a manic episode with depressive symptoms. Increased energy and some form of anger, from irritability to full blown rage, are the most common symptoms (MMDT). Symptoms may also include auditory hallucinations, confusion, insomnia, persecutory delusions, racing thoughts, restlessness, and suicidal ideation. Alcohol, drug abuse, and some antidepressant drugs may trigger dysphoric mania in susceptible individuals.

"this description fits me perfectly. i really thought i was starting to lose it when the auditory hallucinations started &amp; wondered why i kept having thoughts that i just want to die. i have all of these symptoms &amp; the thoughts that people are out to get me can really get scary. i wont go out of the house--i just peep out of the window. sounds kind of funny but its so real. the full blown manic episodes ive had just really take the cake. whole different story. have always involved substance abuse &amp; in the past several years i go into these modes end up drinking &amp; have ended up under railroad trussels in the cemetary up in the woods im blessed to still be alive anything couldve happened to me. im so glad we have God to watch over us.

From the Wiki entry, which is probably ripped straight from the DSM-IV.

I always call it "energetically depressed" to my friends unfamiliar with psychobabble lingo.

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