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I found a most interesting journal article at NON-NEUROGENIC LANGUAGE DISORDERS: A Preliminary Classification that may interest some people here.
Has anyone else ever noted (or had others note) any speech or writing irregularities during bipolar episodes? These may include the typical rapid speech of hypomania/mania, but also other notable differences from stable mood communication patterns. And some possibly occurring during depression or high anxiety periods. The article noted provides several examples within its Table 2: Glossary of Pertinent Speech and Language Terms. Bipolar disorder was specifically referenced a few times in the article. My interest in non-neurogenic language disorders/disturbances has existed for a while, as I've experienced several when hypomanic, manic, and mixed (most often), as well as in panicked states. Rapid speech and increased voice volume? Absolutely, but also:
With severe depression, my communication had at times been affected by cognitive deficits in various ways. Memory recall issues, blankness of mind, etc. Does anyone else relate to any of the above? Or experienced other non-neurogenic language disturbances during episodes? __________________ Dx: Bipolar type 1 Psych Medications: * Tegretol XR (carbamazepine ER) 800 mg * Lamictal (lamotrigine) 150 mg * Seroquel XR (quetiapine ER) 600 mg * Seroquel IR (quetiapine IR) 50 mg * Lyrica (pregabalin) 100 mg |
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I have. Errors I usually wouldn't make (they're very very rare for me normally), not being able to find the right words, or saying things I don't mean. Vocal outbursts as well (sometimes when I'm getting hypomanic I wonder if I have Tourette or something). And being very unsure of the meaning of words/sentences or whether they make sense at all. I'm not sure if these things are just due to the chaos in my head or the overwhelming thoughts/feelings, fatigue during depressive episodes, or something else.
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Thanks for sharing about some of your experiences, FluffyDinosaur. I think these types of symptoms are ones not often mentioned, but can still be part of the disorder. I do realize that we all display symptoms differently and don't all share the same ones.
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I used to have a decently extensive vocabulary. I was proud of my ability to study words and remember their meanings. Now I have a very difficult time with word recall, and it's almost impossible for me to remember the meaning of a new word - or a word I've used for years. I generally attribute the problem to many years of taking Klonopin - but who knows.
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Yeah, I'm sorry I didn't contribute more, Soupe, I really do think it's an interesting topic. I'd love to hear other peoples' experiences.
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My speech and writing is significantly impacted by episodes of mania and psychosis. I will do most of the things on the list, the one that sticks out the most is clanging although it's not the most significant. I remember getting pissed because I was trying to flip out on another patient during my last psychotic episode in the hospital for getting a song stuck in my head and what came out was "Is it permission to put brains pains in worms?" just as an example. Pissed me off more when my staff person told the other person "oh she's just being silly."
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@Sapien, I can certainly believe the situation you described as what I call a "brain quirk" relating to severe bipolar episodes. Strange statements certainly came out of my mouth, some I barely remember but have been repeated to me. It's a shame the staff person seemed to mock your statement. Perhaps they were just ignorant or afraid what you said might be misinterpreted by the other patient.
I often wonder how related these occurrences are to forms of seizures. In fact, I once had a psychiatrist-neurologist tell me there is a possibility. I'm not really referring to convulsive types, but focal types where people are still conscious. Truth is, extreme episodes are chaos in the brain, in my view. I wrote a touch on this subject in my blog a couple years back. Speech dysfunction was one of several mentioned. Anyone interested can see that post at Interesting similarities/links between bipolar disorder & other conditions | My Journeys Beyond Bipolar Disorder Unfortunately, comments to that post are lost. They all disappeared when I imported it into a new blog from an old one. __________________ Dx: Bipolar type 1 Psych Medications: * Tegretol XR (carbamazepine ER) 800 mg * Lamictal (lamotrigine) 150 mg * Seroquel XR (quetiapine ER) 600 mg * Seroquel IR (quetiapine IR) 50 mg * Lyrica (pregabalin) 100 mg |
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Hmm, this I admit is purely speculative, but my adoptive dad was bipolar. Not sure if type 1 or 2, but he collapsed one night several years ago and had a seizure, got taken to hospital and was talking really strangely to my mum on the phone from there the next day, before we picked him up. I can’t remember exactly, but I think that was just before the only really obvious hypomanic episode I witnessed, which led to him being sectioned for a few weeks.
I didn’t actually know he was bipolar until after he died - it wasn’t discussed, but I knew there was *something* going on with him. I’m not bipolar myself, but reading these posts is still helpful for me, to help make sense of things that have happened. |
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I'm sorry about the loss of your adoptive dad. I lost my mom prematurely, too. __________________ Dx: Bipolar type 1 Psych Medications: * Tegretol XR (carbamazepine ER) 800 mg * Lamictal (lamotrigine) 150 mg * Seroquel XR (quetiapine ER) 600 mg * Seroquel IR (quetiapine IR) 50 mg * Lyrica (pregabalin) 100 mg |
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Thank you, @Soupe du jour. I will admit I didn’t really like him much, but my feelings towards him are still complicated even now he’s gone. I’m sorry to hear you lost your mum, too.
Yes, the mental and physical health/symptom connection can be very complex. Perhaps the seizures are separate but exacerbate bipolar symptoms at times, or if they happen to coincide with episodes? Again, I’m just speculating, I’m not an expert by any stretch of the imagination |
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When I’m depressed listening to me is like listening to a radio with a lot of static. I stop mid thought, hel…me…Nam… my volume is also low and mumbling. On the other hand when manic I repeat a lot and do the sing song rhyme thing and use my hands often signing for emphasis. I’m pretty focused usually on trees or environmental issues.
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My vocabulary definately changes when manic; aside from pressured speech/thinking. I start swearing a whole lot. F this F that. When I am stable I very rarely swear.
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__________________ Dx: Bipolar type 1 Psych Medications: * Tegretol XR (carbamazepine ER) 800 mg * Lamictal (lamotrigine) 150 mg * Seroquel XR (quetiapine ER) 600 mg * Seroquel IR (quetiapine IR) 50 mg * Lyrica (pregabalin) 100 mg |
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