[Lonlin3zz]

Hello guys,

I have no official medical history of visiting a pdoc/Therapist. So, I stumbled upon this forum while trying to understand my erratic mood and behaviors.

From Google, it started off at [Bipolar Disorder]>Forum>Blog site for Bipolar Disorder. Someone from that sub-forum was curious about knowing the clear line between Borderline Personality Disorder and Bipolar Disorder. I have been using Bipolar-Disorder coping mechanism to get on with my life.

1. Borderline:

Been through what others described, but it comes to these 2.

Recurrent suicidal behavior - I have it under control due to past experiences and knowledge.

Chronic feelings of emptiness - None of that

2. Bipolar disorder:

Been through that hard time, but it comes to this 1.

Crying my hearts out - I frequently experience intensified sadness, but I never cried, I just held back. I hardly cry at all.

Personally, the way I can cope with some of these issues whenever it arises but, it doesn't seems to people that I have any of these. Blah it's so confusing! Just a random stranger who is has never officially consulted a pdoc before urgh!

I would like to know if there is a similarity in some way, or there is a strictly clear line drawn and these 2 are separate diagnosis?

Very much appreciated!

[XenaStrikes]

There is so much information on BPD in the internet that all you have to do is google to find it all...Even on You Tube.

Wishing you luck and good health .........

[Luctor]

I replied to the thread you made in the bipolar section of this forum.

[CopperStar]

Well for me, one major distinguishing aspect (well, usually), is that BP will draw me towards things, people, activities, thoughts, ideas.. it's like a gravitational pull, or maybe a push, but in either case, BP brings me towards things. BPD symptoms are reactions to things, people, situations, etc.

Some comparison examples:

BP: I am suddenly in the mood to meet an attractive stranger and have sex. I'm just feeling it, randomly, and just impulsive and positive-of-mind enough to try to go for it.
BPD: The guy who works at the grocery store I visit has been very friendly with me the last few times. Suddenly I feel like I could be falling for him, even though I know NOTHING about the guy but his name.

BP: My mind is very stormy and dark lately. I seem to be generating a lot of artsy, fantasy yet very morbid thoughts and daydreams. I feel compelled to obsess and make lots of art of the macabre variety. Will likely stay up all night doing so, too.
BPD: My coworker made a weird, passive-aggressive little remark at me in the lunch room today. Now I'm having ragey fantasies of blowing up their car.

[Lonlin3zz]

Originally Posted by CopperStar

Well for me, one major distinguishing aspect (well, usually), is that BP will draw me towards things, people, activities, thoughts, ideas.. it's like a gravitational pull, or maybe a push, but in either case, BP brings me towards things. BPD symptoms are reactions to things, people, situations, etc.

Some comparison examples:

BP: I am suddenly in the mood to meet an attractive stranger and have sex. I'm just feeling it, randomly, and just impulsive and positive-of-mind enough to try to go for it.
BPD: The guy who works at the grocery store I visit has been very friendly with me the last few times. Suddenly I feel like I could be falling for him, even though I know NOTHING about the guy but his name.

BP: My mind is very stormy and dark lately. I seem to be generating a lot of artsy, fantasy yet very morbid thoughts and daydreams. I feel compelled to obsess and make lots of art of the macabre variety. Will likely stay up all night doing so, too.
BPD: My coworker made a weird, passive-aggressive little remark at me in the lunch room today. Now I'm having ragey fantasies of blowing up their car.

My dear, I need time to understand this fully. I can relate to the 1st pair of analogy, but 2nd, quite a bit of it. But honestly, it's starting to incur my wrath.

I've been feeling really irritable very recently, lost my mind when my father stained my laptop and I kept cursing like nobody's business. Then my housemaker reminded me that should thank my parents for raising me up instead of grumbling about it.

Immediately, I felt guilty because it took just a bit of fault to stir me into a fury and forget about what my parents have done, then I felt even more guilty when my parent have been bringing back vegetarian food especially for me after their work.

In a first-person-shooter game, I am usually very friendly and tolerant towards people. However recently, I was unusually and really irritated by a bunch of scrubs wannabe who are trying to "play" like a pro. So, out of rage and impulse, I bought virtual credits, owned their arse, flamed them like there is no tomorrow, motioned to boot them from the game like I don't even give a damn about their feelings. Then suddenly my world crashed as I noticed my faults and how I treat others, and it escalated to me shutting my close-online friends out of my life and removing them from my friend list. I'm too ashamed to even look at the trail of destruction I have been leaving during my wrath.

[CopperStar]

Originally Posted by Lonlin3zz

My dear, I need time to understand this fully. I can relate to the 1st pair of analogy, but 2nd, quite a bit of it. But honestly, it's starting to incur my wrath.

I've been feeling really irritable very recently, lost my mind when my father stained my laptop and I kept cursing like nobody's business. Then my housemaker reminded me that should thank my parents for raising me up instead of grumbling about it.

Immediately, I felt guilty because it took just a bit of fault to stir me into a fury and forget about what my parents have done, then I felt even more guilty when my parent have been bringing back vegetarian food especially for me after their work.

In a first-person-shooter game, I am usually very friendly and tolerant towards people. However recently, I was unusually and really irritated by a bunch of scrubs wannabe who are trying to "play" like a pro. So, out of rage and impulse, I bought virtual credits, owned their arse, flamed them like there is no tomorrow, motioned to boot them from the game like I don't even give a damn about their feelings. Then suddenly my world crashed as I noticed my faults and how I treat others, and it escalated to me shutting my close-online friends out of my life and removing them from my friend list. I'm too ashamed to even look at the trail of destruction I have been leaving during my wrath.

Digging down to where the wrath is coming from is still a significant factor, something to bear in mind. As someone with BPD, my three biggest triggers are

1. Perceiving that someone I love is being threatened
2. Being rejected by someone I thought loved me
3. Being manipulated, invalidated or other forms of mental abuse

Bipolar anger, which I get during mixed states, is the type of agitation where everything pisses me off. It's not personal at all. A tubberware container falls on the floor and it pisses me off. The coffee maker is taking too long. The sound of the grandfather clock makes me want to smash it to pieces. This is BP anger issue territory for me. It's a state of general agitation.

[Lonlin3zz]

Originally Posted by CopperStar

Digging down to where the wrath is coming from is still a significant factor, something to bear in mind. As someone with BPD, my three biggest triggers are

1. Perceiving that someone I love is being threatened
2. Being rejected by someone I thought loved me
3. Being manipulated, invalidated or other forms of mental abuse

Bipolar anger, which I get during mixed states, is the type of agitation where everything pisses me off. It's not personal at all. A tubberware container falls on the floor and it pisses me off. The coffee maker is taking too long. The sound of the grandfather clock makes me want to smash it to pieces. This is BP anger issue territory for me. It's a state of general agitation.

I like how you word it in a way I can understand, as I am not proficient in English.

I can conclude that my wrath is not something personal as I took time to reflect on it. I remembered that a bin cover in my office's pantry was detached from the waste bin and nobody bothered to hinge it back to the bin except to put the lid over it every time someone wants to dispose something. I was pissed because it's a simple job and nobody bothers to even fix it back.

Actually, you described my life in a clearer way so I can understand it. Thank you, I am super grateful for your replies!

[Oystersoul]

Bpd is often described as emotional instability disorder too, which in my head makes far more sense as a description for why I can't manage or cope with so many things.
Bp share so many of the same traits too, I used to think I had that without the 'happy' mania. I do become manic sometimes but it is far more depressive than anything else. So when I got my diagnosis of bpd it made far more sense.

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[xavier.s]

Originally Posted by CopperStar

Well for me, one major distinguishing aspect (well, usually), is that BP will draw me towards things, people, activities, thoughts, ideas.. it's like a gravitational pull, or maybe a push, but in either case, BP brings me towards things. BPD symptoms are reactions to things, people, situations, etc.

Some comparison examples:

BP: I am suddenly in the mood to meet an attractive stranger and have sex. I'm just feeling it, randomly, and just impulsive and positive-of-mind enough to try to go for it.
BPD: The guy who works at the grocery store I visit has been very friendly with me the last few times. Suddenly I feel like I could be falling for him, even though I know NOTHING about the guy but his name.

BP: My mind is very stormy and dark lately. I seem to be generating a lot of artsy, fantasy yet very morbid thoughts and daydreams. I feel compelled to obsess and make lots of art of the macabre variety. Will likely stay up all night doing so, too.
BPD: My coworker made a weird, passive-aggressive little remark at me in the lunch room today. Now I'm having ragey fantasies of blowing up their car.

This is the best analogy ever. Those two bpd analogies were exactly me hahaha. Thanks for this.

[jcl76]

Before I actually was diagnosed I thought I was Bipolar 2 Hypomanic because of my grand ideas and impulsive behavior. Mood swings, suicidal thoughts, depression, extreme happiness. I even read a bood "hypomanic edge" It was SPOT on!

So fast forward. I set a psych eval with a doc and straight up told him I am BP2. Well I was very wrong. Its BPD. He is explained it like this to me.

When you are having your mood swings, can a change of event swing your mood easily? Do you go from feeling bad to feeling great quickly. That is more like BPD.

From what I understood and I am not BP, is that sometimes you are low and its hard for events to snap you out of it, or you are on a high and it takes a lot to bring you down.

I was diagnosed bipolar over 10 years ago and fit into the rapid cycling/mixed state bp2. Fast forward 10 years, new pdoc. Diagnosed me BPD as well as bipolar as I have proven hypomanic episodes along with very severe bouts of depression but fall under 7 of the 9 critiria for BPD. Confused. Then he digs deeper and does this sneaky little trick and adds ptsd to the mix. Basically what I'm saying is you need a pdoc not the Internet to give you the answers you are looking for. That's what they go to school for. Once something is confirmed then the Internet can be a useful resource.
I can't put my feelings so eloquently or distinguish the two so well as I'm just learning what's what. I have a hard enough time telling my pdoc how I'm feeling. I can say for certain mixed state bipolar is a true roller coaster that rides day and night 24/7 and I just want off! Sorry if I hijacked your thread.

[Lonlin3zz]

Originally Posted by Shawkat2009

I was diagnosed bipolar over 10 years ago and fit into the rapid cycling/mixed state bp2. Fast forward 10 years, new pdoc. Diagnosed me BPD as well as bipolar as I have proven hypomanic episodes along with very severe bouts of depression but fall under 7 of the 9 critiria for BPD. Confused. Then he digs deeper and does this sneaky little trick and adds ptsd to the mix. Basically what I'm saying is you need a pdoc not the Internet to give you the answers you are looking for. That's what they go to school for. Once something is confirmed then the Internet can be a useful resource.
I can't put my feelings so eloquently or distinguish the two so well as I'm just learning what's what. I have a hard enough time telling my pdoc how I'm feeling. I can say for certain mixed state bipolar is a true roller coaster that rides day and night 24/7 and I just want off! Sorry if I hijacked your thread.

No worries, you have given me another reason to visit a pdoc/therapist.

I have been reluctant to go for an appointment as I am seriously can't be bothered these recent days.

I just could not find energy to give a damn about things happening around me.

Sometimes, it's just so hard to explain, you would rather skip it out or even lie about some details which I've done that to a mental counsellor. I wish I could attain stability.

[Fuzzybear]

I don't think "normal" is all it's cracked up to be